Perusing the Penn State board after Steven's camp....

[Tbonewannabe]

This will be proven this fall so we shall see. Clifford is a pro style QB with very limited running ability and they are running an RPO offense. Not the best situation.

Is he Tyler Russell running or Aaron Rodgers? How limited are we talking about? If you give him 5-10 yards every play or is it 10-15?

[Jack Lambert]

Also you can think about the fact that if KT redshirts this year then he would be on the same track as Dak was on (starting as a redshirt sophomore only due to injury). Now I imagine Joe would put KT in at times if he plays this year either at QB or catching the ball but if he redshirts then he still has 2 possible years to start. Most QBs just start for 2 years in college. It is getting more common for QBs to come in as freshmen or sophomores but most of those guys are either high level guys or starting out of necessity.

With the new red shirt rule just save him until 4 games left.

[Tbonewannabe]

With the new red shirt rule just save him until 4 games left.

Very true, I forgot about that.

[maroonmania]

If there's one thing I know, it's you are much better qualified to know who is better between Clifford and Stevens than franklin. You may be right, but you have nothing to base this on. In limited playing time last year, Clifford had a 399.7 passer rating. Sure that's going to go waaaay down, but I think franklin knows more about both than you.

And you really have nothing to base yours on either. You make a BIG assumption that Franklin orchestrated this situation and had it work out just the way he wanted by letting Stevens transfer. Its just as likely that Franklin was trying to keep both guys reasonably happy so that neither would transfer. And I say that because every report just said that Franklin would not name Stevens as the starter, I've not heard or read once that he actually had named Clifford the starter before Stevens left. Franklin didn't know how well Stevens would come back from his injury after missing all bowl practices and Spring practice, and to end up with Clifford transferring would have lost out on a possible 2 year starter versus the 1 year he would get out of Stevens. I would be willing to bet Franklin was hoping to keep both guys if at all possible.

[msstate7]

And you really have nothing to base yours on either. You make a BIG assumption that Franklin orchestrated this situation and had it work out just the way he wanted by letting Stevens transfer. Its just as likely that Franklin was trying to keep both guys reasonably happy so that neither would transfer. And I say that because every report just said that Franklin would not name Stevens as the starter, I've not heard or read once that he actually had named Clifford the starter before Stevens left. Franklin didn't know how well Stevens would come back from his injury after missing all bowl practices and Spring practice, and to end up with Clifford transferring would have lost out on a possible 2 year starter versus the 1 year he would get out of Stevens. I would be willing to bet Franklin was hoping to keep both guys if at all possible.

Where in the world did you come up with this fantasy? I'm not franklin, but I bet he wanted to have Clifford as his starter with tommy in the same role he's been in there for 3 years. I've never said franklin wanted Stevens to transfer... pure horse crap!

[maroonmania]

Where in the world did you come up with this fantasy? I'm not franklin, but I bet he wanted to have Clifford as his starter with tommy in the same role he's been in there for 3 years. I've never said franklin wanted Stevens to transfer... pure horse crap!

Not wanted him to transfer but was more than willing to let him transfer because you are making the assumption that you believe Franklin thinks Clifford is better and wants him to start but was hoping to keep Stevens around. Seems several are making this assumption. All we really know is that Franklin wouldn't guarantee either the starting job after Spring.

[msstate7]

Not wanted him to transfer but was more than willing to let him transfer because you are making the assumption that you believe Franklin thinks Clifford is better and wants him to start but was hoping to keep Stevens around. Seems several are making this assumption. All we really know is that Franklin wouldn't guarantee either the starting job after Spring.

Which is what Stevens said he required to stay. If franklin thought Stevens was the better qb, don't you think he'd do what it took to keep him

[maroonmania]

Which is what Stevens said he required to stay. If franklin thought Stevens was the better qb, don't you think he'd do what it took to keep him?

Franklin doesn't seem the type to be pressured or blackmailed into anything. Franklin obviously didn't think Stevens was enough better than Clifford, if at all, to give in to demands. The other complicating issue is all the time Stevens lost to injury while Clifford was out there with the team. Stevens wasn't the incumbent starter so Franklin probably didn't feel like he was owed any kind of guarantee coming off the injury.

[msstate7]

Franklin doesn't seem the type to be pressured or blackmailed into anything. Franklin obviously didn't think Stevens was enough better than Clifford, if at all, to give in to demands. The other complicating issue is all the time Stevens lost to injury while Clifford was out there with the team. Stevens wasn't the incumbent starter so Franklin probably didn't feel like he was owed any kind of guarantee coming off the injury.

Fair enough

[Captain Falcon]

Again, Stevens can be worse than Clifford and still be the best QB on our roster right now. I have no idea how good Stevens, Clifford, or Thompson are at the current moment, but if Stevens is the best one wearing maroon then I couldn’t care less how the QB battle at Penn State would’ve played out.

[Todd4State]

No one is talking about the fact that Franklin mishandled Stevens injury last year. It has to be hard to give a coach the benefit of the doubt in that situation if you are Stevens and he tells you that you have to compete for the job after all of that.

[maroonmania]

Again, Stevens can be worse than Clifford and still be the best QB on our roster right now. I have no idea how good Stevens, Clifford, or Thompson are at the current moment, but if Stevens is the best one wearing maroon then I couldn’t care less how the QB battle at Penn State would’ve played out.

True, I've never seen Clifford play one down of football. He could be even better than McSorley for all I know.

[99jc]

I'm not worried about going to croom level. I think joe is a much better coach. I'm concerned we downgraded from Mullen.

I know we downgraded!

[MaroonFlounder]

I know we downgraded!

BS. MSU will never beat Bama with a run-based spread. You beat Bama by stretching the field with some semblance of a downfield threat. Moorhead brings that if he gets his guys in here. And that process is beginning.

[msstate7]

BS. MSU will never beat Bama with a run-based spread. You beat Bama by stretching the field with some semblance of a downfield threat. Moorhead brings that if he gets his guys in here. And that process is beginning.

We should definitely hire and fire according to how we do against Bama**

[MaroonFlounder]

We should definitely hire and fire according to how we do against Bama**

The point remains. Will there ever be another SEC West team to challenge in the West unless they can beat Bama?

[Goldendawg]

bama (Harlem Globetrotters) and rest of the SEC (Washington Generals) has ruined college football. Their fans take the regular season for granted, waiting for the playoffs. My wife's aunt (fan from AL) told me at church she is not going to follow them this year because she is so mad at them for losing to Clemson last season. What a joke!

[msstate7]

The point remains. Will there ever be another SEC West team to challenge in the West unless they can beat Bama?

Nope. We ain't on bama's level though, and I doubt that's changing even if we hired urban Meyer. Not saying we can't win the west, but the stars have to align and even then, we'll need some luck.

[TrapGame]

I know we downgraded!

No, you don't.

[maroonmania]

The point remains. Will there ever be another SEC West team to challenge in the West unless they can beat Bama?

Sure, heck Auburn has won the West a couple of times even during the Saban run. But honestly, we probably stand very little chance while Saban is still around. Would take something really special like the 2014 year plus getting Bama at home in the same year.