Apparently Andre Tarver still hasn't signed with the Padres...

[maroonmania]

is there even an outside chance we hold onto him?

[KOdawg1]

I mean, the fact that he still hasn't signed means there's an outside chance. But going into the draft, he was probably the signee that let it be known he wanted to go pro the most. So I'd still say not likely. But it'd be huge if we got him to campus

[Todd4State]

I'd say that there is very little chance that he comes to MSU even if he doesn't sign with the Padres. And that's probably being optimistic. I fully expect him to shaft us and go to some JUCO and then get drafted in about the same spot next year if he doesn't sign. And I expect him to sign with the Padres in the end.

It seems like these guys that shaft us for JUCO's- it never really works out for them and I can't remember anyone that it ever has really worked out for honestly.

[maroonmania]

I'd say that there is very little chance that he comes to MSU even if he doesn't sign with the Padres. And that's probably being optimistic. I fully expect him to shaft us and go to some JUCO and then get drafted in about the same spot next year if he doesn't sign. And I expect him to sign with the Padres in the end.

It seems like these guys that shaft us for JUCO's- it never really works out for them and I can't remember anyone that it ever has really worked out for honestly.

Why would a guy do that? I mean when a Carter Stewart gets drafted in the first round but then doesn't get near the money his slot should get then going a year to JUCO makes sense but we are talking about a 15th rounder that apparently was pretty open about being willing to sign this year. Why go spend a year in JUCO? Seems if he was a true Top 10 round pick he would have been picked there this year. Would seem to make more sense to take 15th round money or go to play major college ball for 3 years and improve his skills.

[Todd4State]

Why would a guy do that? I mean when a Carter Stewart gets drafted in the first round but then doesn't get near the money his slot should get then going a year to JUCO makes sense but we are talking about a 15th rounder that apparently was pretty open about being willing to sign this year. Why go spend a year in JUCO? Seems if he was a true Top 10 round pick he would have been picked there this year. Would seem to make more sense to take 15th round money or go to play major college ball for 3 years and improve his skills.

You are correct that going to MSU would be a better move for him in his case but in his mind I'm sure he just wants to go pro and probably thinks his value is more than it actually is and therefore by going to a JUCO and having a good year he in his mind will get drafted higher and paid what he is worth in his mind.

Stewart should have also gone to MSU or taken the Braves lowball offer- he was going to get drafted a lot lower than he did last year. As I said he would. Now if his dream to play in Japan was his goal all along- well then I guess he made a good move. I think he's going to have a really hard time coming back to America unless he dominates like Yu Darvish did over there.

[maroonmania]

You are correct that going to MSU would be a better move for him in his case but in his mind I'm sure he just wants to go pro and probably thinks his value is more than it actually is and therefore by going to a JUCO and having a good year he in his mind will get drafted higher and paid what he is worth in his mind.

Stewart should have also gone to MSU or taken the Braves lowball offer- he was going to get drafted a lot lower than he did last year. As I said he would. Now if his dream to play in Japan was his goal all along- well then I guess he made a good move. I think he's going to have a really hard time coming back to America unless he dominates like Yu Darvish did over there.

Well I guess this an opportunity where Lemonis can potentially show off his recruiting skills I guess.

[MetEdDawg]

Padres had 10.8 million in bonus pool money. They used 5.2 million on their 1st round pick and 3 million (not a typo) on their 3rd round pick. Highest ever bonus for a 3rd rounder in history.

I have to think the Padres might be strapped for available cash (now you see why they were one of the 2 teams that low balled a ton of seniors). I don't know the particulars about Tarver or his situation. But based on the available money they have spent, there can't be much money left. I have to think at this point there's at least a possibility he doesn't sign.

Question becomes does he come to MSU. I'm of the opinion going to college is smarter for your career, and the data proves that it is.

[Todd4State]

Well I guess this an opportunity where Lemonis can potentially show off his recruiting skills I guess.

We picked up Xavier Lovett to replace him a long time ago.

[dawgs]

You are correct that going to MSU would be a better move for him in his case but in his mind I'm sure he just wants to go pro and probably thinks his value is more than it actually is and therefore by going to a JUCO and having a good year he in his mind will get drafted higher and paid what he is worth in his mind.

Stewart should have also gone to MSU or taken the Braves lowball offer- he was going to get drafted a lot lower than he did last year. As I said he would. Now if his dream to play in Japan was his goal all along- well then I guess he made a good move. I think he's going to have a really hard time coming back to America unless he dominates like Yu Darvish did over there.

Stewart made a good financial decision. He's getting paid now. At 24, he will be a FREE AGENT and able to sign with any MLB team for whatever he can get them to pay him (going pro now or after 3 years of college, and he'd likely be making his mlb debut age 22-24, at which point he's under team control for 6-7 years, thus being ~30 before he's a true free agent). If he is a mediocre Japanese league pitcher, he probably won't end up playing MLB, but he'd at least get paid way more than being a mediocre minor league pitcher and never making it to MLB. And guys far less dominant than dervish are being brought to MLB from Japan, including severa American players who basically washed out of the minor leagues, went to japan, and turned themselves into quality pitchers. So the odds of getting a MLB contract are much better than you make them out to be, and he's getting paid now, and if he's good, he'll be making big FA dollars at the MLB level YEARS before he'd have been eligible making it to MLB thru the draft and minor league system.

[Todd4State]

Stewart made a good financial decision. He's getting paid now. At 24, he will be a FREE AGENT and able to sign with any MLB team for whatever he can get them to pay him (going pro now or after 3 years of college, and he'd likely be making his mlb debut age 22-24, at which point he's under team control for 6-7 years, thus being ~30 before he's a true free agent). If he is a mediocre Japanese league pitcher, he probably won't end up playing MLB, but he'd at least get paid way more than being a mediocre minor league pitcher and never making it to MLB. And guys far less dominant than dervish are being brought to MLB from Japan, including severa American players who basically washed out of the minor leagues, went to japan, and turned themselves into quality pitchers. So the odds of getting a MLB contract are much better than you make them out to be, and he's getting paid now, and if he's good, he'll be making big FA dollars at the MLB level YEARS before he'd have been eligible making it to MLB thru the draft and minor league system.

Wrong. He's locked into Japan and has to be posted which by that time he will be 26 I believe. He got a rumored 6 year deal worth 7 million or about a million a year vs the 4 he was initially looking for. It will be more money on the front end but if it doesn't work out he's probably going to get burned on the back end. MLB isn't going to pay the posting fee and open a can of worms unless he is dominant. They barely will even pay Jake Mangum. He'll be lucky to even pitch in the U.S.

[AlSwearengen]

MSbaseballfan on facebook says he is waiting until all of the other padres draftees have signed to see how much money is available. Sounds very plausible. But, the fact that he is doing that must mean that there is a 1% chance he comes to school.

Someone with the patience might check to see how many of the padres draftees are signing under slot.

[chef dixon]

Where would he play next year for us?

[KOdawg1]

Where would he play next year for us?

OF

[dawgs]

Wrong. He's locked into Japan and has to be posted which by that time he will be 26 I believe. He got a rumored 6 year deal worth 7 million or about a million a year vs the 4 he was initially looking for. It will be more money on the front end but if it doesn't work out he's probably going to get burned on the back end. MLB isn't going to pay the posting fee and open a can of worms unless he is dominant. They barely will even pay Jake Mangum. He'll be lucky to even pitch in the U.S.

Ok, so 26. Either way, he's a FREE AGENT years before he'd get to be a FA through other routes. I don't think his development will be thwarted (evidence of the numerous other players who've played in japan, had success, and then moved over to MLB and maintained success, both American and Japanese born), so instead of making the league minimum for a few years, he'll be making more than that, then able to sign a FA deal while his peers are still stuck under team control. If he washes out, then there's no way to know he wouldn't have also washed out in the minors and walked away from his career with less money.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...japan.amp.html

[Todd4State]

Ok, so 26. Either way, he's a FREE AGENT years before he'd get to be a FA through other routes. I don't think his development will be thwarted (evidence of the numerous other players who've played in japan, had success, and then moved over to MLB and maintained success, both American and Japanese born), so instead of making the league minimum for a few years, he'll be making more than that, then able to sign a FA deal while his peers are still stuck under team control. If he washes out, then there's no way to know he wouldn't have also washed out in the minors and walked away from his career with less money.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...japan.amp.html

Except that Japan's minor league system is vastly different than MLB and not in a good way. I can't see him developing there. If he is with their Nippon League big league team he's trying to jump from JUCO to AAAA baseball and that's a huge leap. I doubt this ends well for him.

[TALL DAWG]

Except that Japan's minor league system is vastly different than MLB and not in a good way. I can't see him developing there. If he is with their Nippon League big league team he's trying to jump from JUCO to AAAA baseball and that's a huge leap. I doubt this ends well for him.

I don?t know how contracts work in Japan but....if his $7M is guaranteed over 6 yrs...I think it will end well for him either way.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

I don?t know how contracts work in Japan but....if his $7M is guaranteed over 6 yrs...I think it will end well for him either way.

That’s pretty good no matter who you are...

[maroonmania]

OF

Yep, outside of Rowdey, our OF is wide open next year. Allen may go out there but we don't know that for sure nor do we know what kind of defensive outfielder Allen would make. Hatcher can hit but he is a liability defensively in the OF. Cumbest is athletic enough to start defensively but can he hit SEC pitching and will he give baseball enough time to improve like he should? Other candidates are unknowns at this point.

[jacksondawg]

I think Allen is playing LF for team USA this summer

[Todd4State]

Yep, outside of Rowdey, our OF is wide open next year. Allen may go out there but we don't know that for sure nor do we know what kind of defensive outfielder Allen would make. Hatcher can hit but he is a liability defensively in the OF. Cumbest is athletic enough to start defensively but can he hit SEC pitching and will he give baseball enough time to improve like he should? Other candidates are unknowns at this point.

Allen will be in left field and Cumbest in right field. I think both will be fine. Hatcher will be better at first base than Allen was. And I think Allen will be better in the outfield than Hatcher was.