THE 2020 MSU Football Recruiting Talk Thread

[msstate7]

Damn 7. does somebody piss in your cheerios every morning?

I just don't see how it can be considered great. If you go by avg per recruit, we're 11th in the sec. Our ranking is a mirage at the moment considering we have so many more commits than a bunch of teams below us. IYOK thinks we'll finish strong, so I'm hopeful this class looks much better soon.

[Goldendawg]

I just don't see how it can be considered great. If you go by avg per recruit, we're 11th in the sec. Our ranking is a mirage at the moment considering we have so many more commits than a bunch of teams below us. IYOK thinks we'll finish strong, so I'm hopeful this class looks much better soon.

He would have been one of our highest rated players at this time. He is third from the bottom in rating for bama recruits. This has been a problem for us for many years in trying to close the gap even a little with the blue bloods. BTW, there are 9 - 12 teams that will pass us in recruiting on 24/7 when all in said and done. We will still have to close strong and have some players re-ranked to have a top 25 class.

[msbulldog]

I just don't see how it can be considered great. If you go by avg per recruit, we're 11th in the sec. Our ranking is a mirage at the moment considering we have so many more commits than a bunch of teams below us. IYOK thinks we'll finish strong, so I'm hopeful this class looks much better soon.

Hey buddy, most of us on here are smart enough to see exactly what you are talking about! But Lord Have Mercy man, we just got 2-4 stars on our side of the ledger. That's really good news that some of us older Dawgs needed! All of us older guys were hoping that this years baseball team would get the national championship for MSU before we die! I always respect and enjoy your post. I just wish you would bring more positive sunshine to our site. You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to msstate7 again.

[KOdawg1]

I just don't see how it can be considered great. If you go by avg per recruit, we're 11th in the sec. Our ranking is a mirage at the moment considering we have so many more commits than a bunch of teams below us. IYOK thinks we'll finish strong, so I'm hopeful this class looks much better soon.

It's way too early to look at avg recruit ranking. Most of these guys haven't been truly evaluated yet, and their rankings will change many times between now and NSD.

Look at their offers. Most have good offers

[ejdallas322]

We about to get a commitment, be on the look out.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

We about to get a commitment, be on the look out.

Oh yea?

[RezDog7]

We about to get a commitment, be on the look out.

Don't come in here with your good news and ruin 7's pity party.

[Bothrops]

For people worried about our stars, I'd like to ask why put so much faith in the rankings at this point? Ya know MS guys are often criticized for being from MS, and are THE LAST to be evaluated in all of the Southeastern U.S.. These sites are hit and miss, and miss just as much as they get it right.

[msstate7]

For people worried about our stars, I'd like to ask why put so much faith in the rankings at this point? Ya know MS guys are often criticized for being from MS, and are THE LAST to be evaluated in all of the Southeastern U.S.. These sites are hit and miss, and miss just as much as they get it right.

I looked over the offers and this is the break down...
(I'm operating on the premise all offers are real)
3 4-stars - multiple good offers

4 players with more than 1 sec offers (not counting our offer)

3 players with 1 other sec

11 players with no other sec offers

[BrunswickDawg]

I looked over the offers and this is the break down...
(I'm operating on the premise all offers are real)
3 4-stars - multiple good offers

4 players with more than 1 sec offers (not counting our offer)

3 players with 1 other sec

11 players with no other sec offers

But, of those 11, you aren't telling the whole story. Of the JUCOs, Patterson is a re-commit from his HS recruitment (so no surprise he hasn't had other offers), Tre Lawson is a P5 transfer (FSU), Dolcine is a P5 transfer (UK), Key and McRae have P5 offers. On the non-JUCO front Rogers, Banks, McMillan, Cooley, and Jackson have P5 offers. So 9 of those no-SEC offers have other P5's after them or came from P5s via JUCO. Sometimes, it's not just about the SEC.

[msstate7]

But, of those 11, you aren't telling the whole story. Of the JUCOs, Patterson is a re-commit from his HS recruitment (so no surprise he hasn't had other offers), Tre Lawson is a P5 transfer (FSU), Dolcine is a P5 transfer (UK), Key and McRae have P5 offers. On the non-JUCO front Rogers, Banks, McMillan, Cooley, and Jackson have P5 offers. So 10 of those no-SEC offers have other P5's after them. Sometimes, it's not just about the SEC.

Maybe so... I haven't even said this is a bad class. I just said calling it "great" is a stretch. Do you consider this a great class?

[BrunswickDawg]

Maybe so... I haven't even said this is a bad class. I just said calling it "great" is a stretch. Do you consider this a great class?

I typically don't consider a class "bad", "good" or "great" until we've seen what they produce on the field. There are just too many variables involved in how classes get ranked and how signing what you need vs. signing stars impacts your overall rating. Not to mention the subjectivity of individuals who rank players. Remember the #41 ranked class in 2011 gave us Dak, Slay, McKinney, Robinson, and Preston Smith - when the only 4 star we signed was Dee Arrington.

[msstate7]

I typically don't consider a class "bad", "good" or "great" until we've seen what they produce on the field. There are just too many variables involved in how classes get ranked and how signing what you need vs. signing stars impacts your overall rating. Not to mention the subjectivity of individuals who rank players. Remember the #41 ranked class in 2011 gave us Dak, Slay, McKinney, Robinson, and Preston Smith - when the only 4 star we signed was Dee Arrington.

And that's fair, but right now all we have to base it on is rankings. Calling it great at the moment is just sunshine pumping. Could it turn out great? Hell yeah, but it could also turn out bad

[MetEdDawg]

The other things you have to remember are:

1. It's still June. There are tons of kids that are going to move based on consistency from junior to senior year and still haven't been seen yet. Scouts all the time talk about how they go to a game to look at a kid and another kid jumps out. Then all of sudden that kid gets their first camp invite during summer and get a chance to show out.

2. It's pretty common for kids (MS kids in particular) who commit very early to not get moved much until late camps in late fall and winter. A kid like Rogers is a great example. Lot of folks like him a lot. He's been re-evaluated twice in the last week on 24/7 and has moved from the #782 overall prospect to the #642 prospect. And that will continue to go up. But he's coming to MSU and he's probably not gonna get a lot of other offers. He may not go to more camps. So he may be scored lower because of that.

There's a lot of evaluation left to go on. Some of our kids may get to play in bigger games as seniors against better competition and may show out and get a ratings bump. There's a lot of evaluation left to be done. So I wouldn't really start judging this class until late September. First half of senior football is over and we should have a better idea of how guys have changed from last year and from summer camps.

[BrunswickDawg]

And that's fair, but right now all we have to base it on is rankings. Calling it great at the moment is just sunshine pumping. Could it turn out great? Hell yeah, but it could also turn out bad

You can't have it both ways there 7. If all we have to go by right now is our ranking - which is #14 composite (#11 if just 247), then this is a great class. Yeah, everything will change between now and February and it will wind up in the 20s - but in the right now our rankings say it is pretty dang good. The flip side is if we were in the 30s or 40s right now with 20 commits, people would be burning the place down.

[Dawgology]

You can't have it both ways there 7. If all we have to go by right now is our ranking - which is #14 composite (#11 if just 247), then this is a great class. Yeah, everything will change between now and February and it will wind up in the 20s - but in the right now our rankings say it is pretty dang good. The flip side is if we were in the 30s or 40s right now with 20 commits, people would be burning the place down.

This. JoMo is doing this correctly for now. We will see how it shakes out in 6 months

[Pollodawg]

Recruiting will always be fluid because you’re dealing with the most unpredictable beast of all: the human teenager.

I know next to nothing about recruiting, but I fully expect us to add and lose as we go. That’s how it always works. The class we have now may not be the class we sign.

[msstate7]

You can't have it both ways there 7. If all we have to go by right now is our ranking - which is #14 composite (#11 if just 247), then this is a great class. Yeah, everything will change between now and February and it will wind up in the 20s - but in the right now our rankings say it is pretty dang good. The flip side is if we were in the 30s or 40s right now with 20 commits, people would be burning the place down.

Ok, I'll abandon all common sense and I'll say this is the 14th best class in the country. Funny how last year when OM had a top 10 class this time of the year bc of sheer numbers we were smart enough to realize it wasn't real. This year though...

[BrunswickDawg]

Ok, I'll abandon all common sense and I'll say this is the 14th best class in the country. Funny how last year when OM had a top 10 class this time of the year bc of sheer numbers we were smart enough to realize it wasn't real. This year though...

"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds"

[msstate7]

"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds"

Does that mean you agree with me? Haha

Our current ranking should actually be better than it is bc ducking isn't rated. It will probably hurt our avg per recruit though