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    Plumlee it is vs. Vandy

    I like it. Gotta trust the Senior in this big spot.

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    Good. Go with what got you here. Plumlee is a senior and has a rhythm going. Ginn has been off and on too much with the injury.

    Right move by Lemonis and I think it gives us the best chance to win.

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    I said either one was a good option, so this is totally fine. I'm very curious, if we win, to see if we go Ginn Friday or let Small pitch. If Ginn doesn't pitch until then, he's not coming back for the championship series either way, so I think I'd rather go Small Friday and then have Ginn available Saturday if needed (which allows Small to also pitch Game 3 of the CS) than have Ginn go Friday and then be faced with potentially having to use Small Saturday and having neither available for the CS.

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    I think it's a good decision. JT been battling a couple arm issues and hopefully he'll be ready to go end of this week. Win tomorrow and then JT and whole staff win game 3 then we have small and Plumlee fresh for next week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post
    I said either one was a good option, so this is totally fine. I'm very curious, if we win, to see if we go Ginn Friday or let Small pitch. If Ginn doesn't pitch until then, he's not coming back for the championship series either way, so I think I'd rather go Small Friday and then have Ginn available Saturday if needed (which allows Small to also pitch Game 3 of the CS) than have Ginn go Friday and then be faced with potentially having to use Small Saturday and having neither available for the CS.
    One step at a time.

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    Good call...don’t overthink it now

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoopsDawg View Post
    One step at a time.
    For sure, just discussing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Commercecomet24 View Post
    I think it's a good decision. JT been battling a couple arm issues and hopefully he'll be ready to go end of this week. Win tomorrow and then JT and whole staff win game 3 then we have small and Plumlee fresh for next week.
    I hope JT can shut it down this summer and these arm issues don't continue to linger or turn into something worse. He's only thrown 80 innings this year. Only thrown over 90 pitches twice all year. I've seen 10 year olds who have thrown more in a travel ball season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post
    For sure, just discussing.
    Overthink all you want. We aren't making any decisions anyway haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post
    For sure, just discussing.
    definitely Ginn, and whole staff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoopsDawg View Post
    definitely Ginn, and whole staff.
    So just for discussion purposes...what do you do if we win Tuesday, then throw Ginn Friday and lose?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoopsDawg View Post
    I hope JT can shut it down this summer and these arm issues don't continue to linger or turn into something worse. He's only thrown 80 innings this year. Only thrown over 90 pitches twice all year. I've seen 10 year olds who have thrown more in a travel ball season.
    He was a 1st round pick and put a lot of trust in the State coaching staff by coming to school. I'm assuming these issues are more precaution than they are serious long-term concern. They're being careful with him precisely so that it doesn't linger or turn into something worse. 80 innings is not nothing. 10-year-olds aren't throwing 95, and they're also throwing way too much themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post
    So just for discussion purposes...what do you do if we win Tuesday, then throw Ginn Friday and lose?
    Throw Small as an opener and let him go 2-3 innings. Then from there you have to use Keegan and whatever is left in the bullpen and do a little praying.

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    I like it. We are 2 wins from tying a program win total record. We had our 1st 6-0 post season start ever. These coaches know what they are doing.

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    My concern here is that by using Plumlee now instead of Ginn, we have basically taken Ginn out of any pitching next week in a championship situation. He has proven all season he needs a minimum of 6 days between starts..... So we would have only had Ginn for 1 start the entire tourney by going this route.... Not sure this is the best plan but I do think Plumlee is really pitching well right now and this win is huge!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MetEdDawg View Post
    Throw Small as an opener and let him go 2-3 innings. Then from there you have to use Keegan and whatever is left in the bullpen and do a little praying.
    I think this is why I'd rather go with Small on Friday. I'm assuming you're trying to allow Small to come back for the CS in some capacity by limiting him to 2-3 innings. Because by Saturday, he should be able to throw basically a normal start. But if you do that, he's probably gone for the CS.

    I'm basically trying to maximize the number of innings our top pitchers can throw. Obviously if we lose tomorrow, all bets are off and it's a free-for-all. So this is only if we win Tuesday. If you throw Small 4-5 innings Friday, that leaves Ginn available to pitch a full start Saturday, and it also lets Small come back in Game 3 of the CS and throw 4-5 innings.

    If you throw Ginn Friday, he's still out for the CS, and by throwing Small 2-3 innings Saturday you risk losing him for the CS. At most, you're still only going to get the 4-5 innings in Game 3.

    So I'd rather go with Small on Friday, leave Ginn to either pitch Saturday or pitch Game 1 of the CS, and either go Ginn-Plumlee-Small in the CS or Plumlee-Wholestaff-Small. If you throw Ginn Friday and then use Small Saturday, you're potentially having to do Plumlee-Wholestaff-Wholestaff. The benefit of holding Small back is that you can go Small-Plumlee-Wholestaff in the CS, but you see what I'm saying now - that's basically no better overall than my plan of using Small on Friday except that in a best-case scenario, Small is fresher in the CS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4suredog View Post
    My concern here is that by using Plumlee now instead of Ginn, we have basically taken Ginn out of any pitching next week in a championship situation. He has proven all season he needs a minimum of 6 days between starts..... So we would have only had Ginn for 1 start the entire tourney by going this route.... Not sure this is the best plan but I do think Plumlee is really pitching well right now and this win is huge!
    That's why I was in favor of going Ginn tomorrow. I think Plumlee is capable of being available in some capacity in the CS even if he starts Thursday or Friday. Ginn will be done after his one start. But the staff may think Ginn only pitches once no matter what, and this way he can just let it all out in that one start. I'm good with the decision, it's definitely hugely important to win tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post
    That's why I was in favor of going Ginn tomorrow. I think Plumlee is capable of being available in some capacity in the CS even if he starts Thursday or Friday. Ginn will be done after his one start. But the staff may think Ginn only pitches once no matter what, and this way he can just let it all out in that one start. I'm good with the decision, it's definitely hugely important to win tomorrow.
    Don?t out think yourself. Its one game at a time and Plumlee has been the better pitcher over the past month.

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    ginn starts game 3 regardless- its not that hard - regular rotation except ginn on a very short leash

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    I'm cool with Plumlee going. Just win, baby.

    Curious....why announce it today? Why not let them prepare for both and then announce tomorrow afternoon? Is there some Rule about that? I've always wondered why you'd give your opponent extra time to prepare....just let them find out by looking at the lineup card before the game

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