Applewhite to Transfer

[smootness]

You already have to sit out a year unless you move to a lower division. If somebody wants to transfer at that price, they should be able to.

I know, I'm not saying they should institute rules to specifically curtail transferring. I'm saying the whole system needs to change because this is what it's breeding. It's breeding a bunch of kids who want to be superstars and apparently lack much self-awareness or desire to be part of a team.

And I'm not aiming any of this at Applewhite specifically; again, I don't know much about that situation. But this has triggered the discussion of the transferring problem all over college basketball. AAU isn't really teaching good basketball fundamentals, the NBA has been teaching kids for years that basketball is all about being 'the man' and dominating the ball so you can be like Michael Jordan, and boosters/AAU coaches are destroying what is left of college basketball.

[bobcat91]

More and more will come out on Rick Ray and you will shake your head. He was fired from Purdue as he couldn't recruit. He was not the top assistant at Clemson and rumors of his leaving there due to recruiting were beginning to come to light as well. He has done nothing at MSU to make me think he is any different here. What he has done is get rid of Stans players and replaced them with guys who can't shot, rebound or hit free throws. When all is said and done, you are going to have to take a long look at Stricklins decisionmaking. You are not going to like what you see.

[HoopsDawg]

More and more will come out on Rick Ray and you will shake your head. He was fired from Purdue as he couldn't recruit. He was not the top assistant at Clemson and rumors of his leaving there due to recruiting were beginning to come to light as well. He has done nothing at MSU to make me think he is any different here. What he has done is get rid of Stans players and replaced them with guys who can't shot, rebound or hit free throws. When all is said and done, you are going to have to take a long look at Stricklins decisionmaking. You are not going to like what you see.

Speaking of "decision-making" from Stricklin, it always bothered me that we signed Ray to 1 million a year. Don't tell me he wouldn't have taken the job for 750K/per year, 500K/year? Is our athletic budget so big we can throw away 250K/year. Hell, that would have more than covered all those annoying ads on the Moo-Tube.

[sbcmortgageman]

I thought applewhite had been starting recently. I don't buy the more playing time on this team. EVERYBODY gets to play because the have to.

[TheRef]

I thought applewhite had been starting recently. I don't buy the more playing time on this team. EVERYBODY gets to play because the have to.

He has been...I don't get his excuse.

[sbcmortgageman]

He has been...I don't get his excuse.

Hate to say it, but I'm going with too many Moultrie knee problems. Surprised no ones mentioned that.

[preachermatt83]

More and more will come out on Rick Ray and you will shake your head. He was fired from Purdue as he couldn't recruit. He was not the top assistant at Clemson and rumors of his leaving there due to recruiting were beginning to come to light as well. He has done nothing at MSU to make me think he is any different here. What he has done is get rid of Stans players and replaced them with guys who can't shot, rebound or hit free throws. When all is said and done, you are going to have to take a long look at Stricklins decisionmaking. You are not going to like what you see.

sadly you are correct. I can't figure out how the same man who hired coach vic and coach vann is the same guy who hired ray. Ray had no business even being in the discussion. I have been very quite about Rick Ray for the most part and Im not here to run him down but Im telling you guys his hiring will end up being one of the biggest hiring flop in msu history in any sport.

[msstate7]

So ray's back to a bust bc applewhite's transferring out...

I'll hold judgement till I see how we finish and who we fill applewhite's spot with.

[preachermatt83]

Ray never stopped being a bust and I don't think he ever will. I hope Im wrong but just don't think I am.

[NewTweederEndzoneDance]

sadly you are correct. I can't figure out how the same man who hired coach vic and coach vann is the same guy who hired ray. Ray had no business even being in the discussion. I have been very quite about Rick Ray for the most part and Im not here to run him down but Im telling you guys his hiring will end up being one of the biggest hiring flop in msu history in any sport.

wow. just wow. I'm really trying to figure out how it is possible to reply to any of your posts in this thread without calling you a ****ing idiot. and not just your posts, but those posted by some of the others as well. so i'm just going to go with "wow", shake my head and chalk it up to general message board ****tard-ery.

[maroonmania]

I really don't know much of anything about Ray's coaching achievements, or lack thereof, prior to his arrival at MSU, but it is kind of odd that 99% of the posts about him after the 9-3 start was that things seem to be progressing well and the team is playing hard and looking better this year. Now, with the announcement of Applewhite transferring, we've got multiple posters coming out with info they've been holding back on that trashes Ray as a coach and basically tells us all we will rue the day Stricklin hired him. I really don't know what to believe but its just strange how the posting tide has turned on Ray seemingly just due to a backup player announcing a transfer.

[mic]

A kid doesn't just transfer out during the season so something else is def up. and secomd of all if he excuse was to be more involved in the offense.. I am sure he would have been if he was actually a scorer. With the problems we have putting the ball in the basket im sure if he was a scorer he would have gotten the touches to score.
With that said I liked the way he played. reminded me a Brandon Vincent type player. Bang around a little , do some dirty work on the boards, and play defense and get ya 8 pts a game.
If he wants to be a SCORER he better go like coach34 said to juco. And Im not sure he would avg 15-20 a game there either.

This does mean one thing De'Runnya gets much more PT and quickly..
Fingers crossed for no bad injury karma with him. It seems to follow our basketball program right now..

[NewTweederEndzoneDance]

I really don't know much of anything about Ray's coaching achievements, or lack thereof, prior to his arrival at MSU, but it is kind of odd that 99% of the posts about him after the 9-3 start was that things seem to be progressing well and the team is playing hard and looking better this year. Now, with the announcement of Applewhite transferring, we've got multiple posters coming out with info they've been holding back on that trashes Ray as a coach and basically tells us all we will rue the day Stricklin hired him. I really don't know what to believe but its just strange how the posting tide has turned on Ray seemingly just due to a backup player announcing a transfer.

its the same yahoos with hurt feelings, agendas, or whatever you want to call it. every single time we so much as turn the ball over during a game they come out of the wood work. we get it. they still want Stans, or they wanted Kenny Payne, or they just suck at life. regardless, they actually take joy in bad things happening to what is supposed to be their school just so they can "be right". its sickening.

[preachermatt83]

its the same yahoos with hurt feelings, agendas, or whatever you want to call it. every single time we so much as turn the ball over during a game they come out of the wood work. we get it. they still want Stans, or they wanted Kenny Payne, or they just suck at life. regardless, they actually take joy in bad things happening to what is supposed to be their school just so they can "be right". its sickening.

well hey there Rick, nice to see ya. Ya missing Clemson yet?

[HailState39110]

I was a Stan's guy and I am pulling for Ray like everyone else should. It is hard though to see any progress in the middle of year 2 and it will be a miracle if he can turn it in year 3 like Cohen did

[NewTweederEndzoneDance]

I was a Stan's guy and I am pulling for Ray like everyone else should. It is hard though to see any progress in the middle of year 2 and it will be a miracle if he can turn it in year 3 like Cohen did

We aren't world beaters. There is no denying that. And if he can't get it done in the next few years, then we will move on like we should. But to say there has been no improvement since last season at this point is just assinine. Last season we were losing these games to terrible opponents. Last year we went 10-22. We are 9-3 right now. How exactly do you define progress?

[HailState39110]

I'm not looking at our current record after beating a few SWAC schools.Im looking at our current roster and the guys we are bringing in next year. Nothing Ray is doing makes me believe we will ever be able to compete for conference championships or make the NCAA tournament. All he has done is kick players off the team and has replaced them with players who are not as good . This is how I am defining his progress

[NewTweederEndzoneDance]

I'm not looking at our current record after beating a few SWAC schools.Im looking at our current roster and the guys we are bringing in next year. Nothing Ray is doing makes me believe we will ever be able to compete for conference championships or make the NCAA tournament. All he has done is kick players off the team and has replaced them with players who are not as good . This is how I am defining his progress

Ah, so you are defining "progress" by your own subjective feelings of the job he is doing and your own evaluation of players, most of which you have never even seen play, much less have any idea how they will be as players next year or thereafter. With such impeccable reasoning, I don't know how I ever supported our coach in the first place!!!!1!!**

[engie]

I was a Stan's guy and I am pulling for Ray like everyone else should. It is hard though to see any progress in the middle of year 2 and it will be a miracle if he can turn it in year 3 like Cohen did

Was Cohen's turnaround, then, also a "miracle"?

It's stupid to try to define a coach that inherited the shitstorm that Ray did before he's had time to get it going(year 3 we start judging). Just like we had an ample amount of idiots screaming from the rooftops that Cohen was a huge f'n mistake for the better part 3 full years. Even had some playing that card into year 4.

Prognosticating right now, based on basically nothing other than player turnover when instilling a culture change, is dumb. It's basically exactly what people did with Cohen. And everyone can say "well that was different" with hindsight -- but I can show you HUNDREDS of threads and posts that say things were exactly the same.

[HoopsDawg]

Ah, so you are defining "progress" by your own subjective feelings of the job he is doing and your own evaluation of players, most of which you have never even seen play, much less have any idea how they will be as players next year or thereafter. With such impeccable reasoning, I don't know how I ever supported our coach in the first place!!!!1!!**

The only improvement is the schedule. I think last year's team might have been better b/c of Steele. Last year's team went 5-7 in the non-conference. This year's team would have gone 6-6 with the same schedule b/c I will give them the win over Alabama A&M.