Joe Moorhead article in The Athletic

[Gutter Cobreh]

Yet in the 2nd half of the season he threw 12 TD's and 2 picks. Should have been 13/1 but Guidry had to bobble a pass that hit him in the chest and turn it into a pick

Just stop... you're making stuff up without providing any context or facts to support it.

It seems like you've conveniently left out the LSU game in your "2nd half of the season" stats, even though they were our 7th opponent.

Also, you failed to mention he threw for a whopping 363 yds. combined against Bama, Ark, and Ole Miss. Two of those teams were the worst in the league on defense.

Take a look if you care to know the truth:
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb...ald-2/gamelog/

[PMDawg]

9-4 in 2017
3 1st round picks and a 6th round pick on D, plus 4 signed as a FA returning on D

Offense had the top 2 QB's returning- one the SEC all-time leading rusher who completed 55.6% of his passes in 2017
Top 7 rushers returning- including a 1,000 yard back
8 guys returning that caught passes in 2017
4 starters returning on the OL

17 starters returning overall

Went 8-5

I'll repeat it again- we made the necessary offensive changes vs Auburn after the Kentucky/Fla debacles to win with over 400 yards of offense. Auburn finished 4th in the SEC in scoring D. And we never did it again- why? Because we decided we would rather lose running our offense as opposed to what was best for the 2018 team.

What about all that screams "good job"?

This all day.

Take every Power 64 coach from 2018. How many wouldn't have won at least 8 games with our roster? 20? 10? I don't know, but I imagine 8-5 would be somewhere around the mean. Which means we had a very average coach last year.

[confucius say]

What's crazy to me is we only hear about the bad offensive games, not the good wins against Auburn and A&M. I'm willing to bet that A&M will be in contention to win the west this year.

What is crazy to me is that Aggie over under win total in Vegas is 7.5. Ours is 8.

[DancingRabbit]

I shouldn't have said 'make no excuses,' that was definitely an overexaggeration to make a point. But I do think there's a difference in trying to lower expectations or speaking in a moment of frustration and retroactively trying to play down the talent level you had because of your results.

Moorhead himself was playing up expectations, or at the very least doing nothing to play them down, prior to the season. He said typical new-coach things like, 'We want to win championships' and that kind of thing, but he also specifically said he wanted to be ranked high preseason and that no one would have higher expectations than the coaching staff. He said nothing about the talent level not being what people thought it was, he just said he welcomed the expectations. Now he tries to come after those who had high expectations saying, 'And I know there was a lot of outside expectation and perception that we were an amalgamation of the ’85 Bears and ’72 Dolphins!' - that was literally his quote to Murray 2 months ago. That is just a tool thing to say to try to downplay, in hindsight, the expectations and talent level of the team. Just crap. Great coaches simply don't say things like that.

I think the tone and level of discontent annoyed Joe a few times. Whether he ever said a thing about Heismans or rings or the 85 has nothing to do with win totals or being able to find things to bitch about. If he had never said those 3 things the fans that don't like Joe would find something.

Color me skeptical, but I never bought into the Heisman and championship talk.

[Jarius]

What is crazy to me is that Aggie over under win total in Vegas is 7.5. Ours is 8.

Look at A&Ms schedule. They play Clemson, Georgia, and the SEC west. They will struggle to win 8. We play a bunch of nobodies in nonconference and get Kentucky & Tennessee. We have a better chance to win 8 than they do and they will have a better team than us.

[Coach34]

Just stop... you're making stuff up without providing any context or facts to support it.

I was completely factual in my post. When you have good facts- there is no need to make anything up.

A&M- 2/0
La Tech- 4/0
Bama- 0/0
UPig- 4/0
Mississippi- 1/0
Iowa- 1/2 (one being on Guidry)

That is not made up- complete fact

[msstate7]

Look at A&Ms schedule. They play Clemson, Georgia, and the SEC west. They will struggle to win 8. We play a bunch of nobodies in nonconference and get Kentucky & Tennessee. We have a better chance to win 8 than they do and they will have a better team than us.

Yep. aTm could be really good and still be 8-4

[MetEdDawg]

Here's what will be hilarious. If we go 7-5, which many on here have said is best case next year, those same people are going to lose their shit when we go 7-5. God I can't believe we lost that game. Man Moorhead sucks. What a terrible game plan.

It's going to happen, so none of this matters. Unless we go 10-2 or better, our fan base is going to find a way for complain.

[Coach34]

This all day.

Take every Power 64 coach from 2018. How many wouldn't have won at least 8 games with our roster? 20? 10? I don't know, but I imagine 8-5 would be somewhere around the mean. Which means we had a very average coach last year.

Croom could have won 8 last season for us

[msstate7]

Here's what will be hilarious. If we go 7-5, which many on here have said is best case next year, those same people are going to lose their shit when we go 7-5. God I can't believe we lost that game. Man Moorhead sucks. What a terrible game plan.

It's going to happen, so none of this matters. Unless we go 10-2 or better, our fan base is going to find a way for complain.

Not me. I said 6-7 wins and I'll be ok this year. We aren't very good going into 2019

[BrunswickDawg]

Yep. aTm could be really good and still be 8-4

So your boy Jimbo gets a pass that you won't give Moorhead? And he is in year 2 not year 1.

[Tbonewannabe]

Yep. aTm could be really good and still be 8-4

I understand everyone's frustration with our offense in those tough games but you are basically giving Jimbo a pass when Moorhead did this exact same thing. We lost 4 games to teams in the top 12 with 3 of those on the road, any other time in MSU history and everyone would chalk that up to just a tough schedule.

The only loss outside the top 12 was Iowa and we win that game if Guidry makes just a routine catch that any college WR should make 99 times out of 100.

[Jarius]

I understand everyone's frustration with our offense in those tough games but you are basically giving Jimbo a pass when Moorhead did this exact same thing. We lost 4 games to teams in the top 12 with 3 of those on the road, any other time in MSU history and everyone would chalk that up to just a tough schedule.

The only loss outside the top 12 was Iowa and we win that game if Guidry makes just a routine catch that any college WR should make 99 times out of 100.

They are also giving Jethro up at Tennessee a pass. He inherited a top 20 recruiting roster, goes 5-7, and everyone is scared to death he is going to improve and beat us in Knoxville. Our coach gets held to a different standard than everyone else’s does on this board, and I was fighting mad at losing 5 games without roster.

[TrapGame]

Croom could have won 8 last season for us

Oh My God!!!

[TrapGame]

Here's what will be hilarious. If we go 7-5, which many on here have said is best case next year, those same people are going to lose their shit when we go 7-5. God I can't believe we lost that game. Man Moorhead sucks. What a terrible game plan.

It's going to happen, so none of this matters. Unless we go 10-2 or better, our fan base is going to find a way for complain.

People love to bitch. It's really a national past time now.

[msstate7]

So your boy Jimbo gets a pass that you won't give Moorhead? And he is in year 2 not year 1.

He faces 3 playoff contenders (2 on the road) and LSU at tiger stadium. Our schedule was tough last year, but no where near this

[msstate7]

I understand everyone's frustration with our offense in those tough games but you are basically giving Jimbo a pass when Moorhead did this exact same thing. We lost 4 games to teams in the top 12 with 3 of those on the road, any other time in MSU history and everyone would chalk that up to just a tough schedule.

The only loss outside the top 12 was Iowa and we win that game if Guidry makes just a routine catch that any college WR should make 99 times out of 100.

They face the top 3 teams in the country, and LSU will be top 10

[msu15]

Croom could have won 8 last season for us

You are one stupid mother****er

[Scared_Hitless]

This all day.

Take every Power 64 coach from 2018. How many wouldn't have won at least 8 games with our roster? 20? 10? I don't know, but I imagine 8-5 would be somewhere around the mean. Which means we had a very average coach last year.

Lets not factor in level of opponent at all and this post would make sense. 2017 1 Ranked win LSU. A bowl win vs a Peter Sirmon defense is the only difference in Record.

Now lets look at 2018 5 Losses LSU finished #6, KY finished #12, Bama #2, Iowa #25, FL #7 with a coach that knew everything about our Roster. Similar results with a much tougher Schedule. We are all disappointed but lets stop acting like we regressed horribly. Didn't happen, we were similar both years and lost to good defenses both years.

[PMDawg]

I think the tone and level of discontent annoyed Joe a few times. Whether he ever said a thing about Heismans or rings or the 85 has nothing to do with win totals or being able to find things to bitch about. If he had never said those 3 things the fans that don't like Joe would find something.

Color me skeptical, but I never bought into the Heisman and championship talk.

Not true for me. I never bought all that talk either. I thought those statements were setting himself up for ridicule any way.

And I'm not even that concerned with our record. 8 wins isn't terrible, and probably the best we could have hoped for was 10. There's just a lot of things that add up to my skepticism of him at this point, and last year's record is only one of them. And while I'm skeptical, I haven't given up on him. I hope he learned from last year and gets better this year. It wouldn't take a whole heck of a lot to change my mind on him - but so far, I haven't seen much to give me a positive feeling. The fact that he views last year as a success is a little disconcerting. Maybe he's just a positive guy, but I don't think that's something you would hear Saban, Dabo, Urban, Kirby, etc. say after the way last season unfolded.

Here's what will be hilarious. If we go 7-5, which many on here have said is best case next year, those same people are going to lose their shit when we go 7-5. God I can't believe we lost that game. Man Moorhead sucks. What a terrible game plan.

It's going to happen, so none of this matters. Unless we go 10-2 or better, our fan base is going to find a way for complain.

As someone who expects 6-6 +/-1 game, you won't hear me complain. I'll be completely satisfied with 7-5, and ecstatic with anything better. 6-6, I won't be mad, but it will just give me confirmation about how I feel about Joe.