Was 2009 our best recruiting class ever?

[HoopsDawg]

In 5 years as coach, how many "Croom players" did Sylvester put into the NFL?

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Let it go bud.

[HancockCountyDog]

Don't you know -- Houston Nutt gets credit for our 2012 class -- because had he not sucked and stopped recruiting altogether, those kids wouldn't have come to MSU**

I would think he would get some type of recognition for the players that were committed to Nutt when he left when freezus took over. Looks like it was 7 players, with Mathers, Walton, Hilton and Gross being the only real contributors at this point and I doubt any of those guys get drafted.

Im not sure any of those guys except for Mathers had any other options - Gross may had, but he was signing with the bears if they had hired Carrottop.

Normally when teams tank like the bears did in 2010 and 2011, this is what happens with the incoming coach - you get handed a pile of shit for a recruiting class.

For MSU in 2009, it was an odd situation, most of the studs committed back when we were riding high from the 2007 season and Croom was SEC coach of the year. Im not sure it gets remembered, but I thought we had a chance to completely dominate MS recruiting that year. We had a personable African American coach that ESPN and the media loved, and I figured we would win 8 games regardless. Then the shooting happens, we lose our starting All SEC LT and that was that. We learned that Croom really couldn't coach and we fired him one year removed from SEC coach of the year. That rarely happens, then again scoring 2 points in a game rarely happens as well.

So when Mullen showed up he was handed a recruiting class that wasn't your normal transition type class - hell look at 2004 when Sherrill left - He left Croom Roland Terry and Jeffrey Farr. He might as well of shit on the 50 yard line on his way out. That is the only two commits Croom inherited. The rest of the 2004 recruiting class committed after he got here.

[engie]

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Let it go bud.

You post stupidity giving Croom credit for some of Mullen's accomplishments. So, let us give him credit for his own accomplishments. Do you not see how that is interconnected?

But I can TOTALLY understand why you wouldn't want to answer that question -- because it shoots your agenda to shit.

[HoopsDawg]

You post stupidity giving Croom credit for some of Mullen's accomplishments. So, let us give him credit for his own accomplishments. Do you not see how that is interconnected?

But I can TOTALLY understand why you wouldn't want to answer that question -- because it shoots your agenda to shit.

What is it with message board psycho's and "agenda"? I have no agenda, lol. Croom is where he belongs and that's coaching RB's with the Titans. This thread isn't about Croom. It's about the 2009 class and Croom deserves 90% of the credit for that class. You and some others have a hard time accepting that. That's a YOU problem.

[HancockCountyDog]

You post stupidity giving Croom credit for some of Mullen's accomplishments. So, let us give him credit for his own accomplishments. Do you not see how that is interconnected?

But I can TOTALLY understand why you wouldn't want to answer that question -- because it shoots your agenda to shit.

What are we basing this off, players that were drafted from Croom's recruiting classes or players that were drafted while Croom was the coach. Personally, I don't think Croom should get credit for Jerious getting drafted, but that is just me, maybe he should.

Since Croom was only here 5 seasons, he only had two classes cycle through - the 2004 and 2005 signing classes. So we judge it on just those classes?

Mullen did a great job keeping that class together. Croom did a great job assembling the class. Can't it just be that? Can't both guys get credit. Why does it have to be one or the other. As usual the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

This also shows how much recruiting has changed in the last 10 years. In 2004 when Croom took over, he was handed two commits from shitty players. In 2009, Mullen was handed a solid 14 commits. If Mullen left for another school - the next coach would probably be handed 18-20 commits that would all probably stick if the new coach wanted them too.

Look at Muschamp at Florida - he took over in 2010 - He only committed 5 guys after coming on board. The best coach so far that I have seen come in and kick ass in his first recruiting class was Gus at AU, and I highly doubt he did that without a lot of help from the AU alumni.

[engie]

What are we basing this off, players that were drafted from Croom's recruiting classes or players that were drafted while Croom was the coach. Personally, I don't think Croom should get credit for Jerious getting drafted, but that is just me, maybe he should.

In 5 years, Croom had zero of his own recruits drafted. Zero. That's my point. How many of those guys actually get there on Croom-coached teams?

Since Croom was only here 5 seasons, he only had two classes cycle through - the 2004 and 2005 signing classes. So we judge it on just those classes?

Plus 4 JUCO classes that should have been putting a significant percentage into the NFL.

Mullen did a great job keeping that class together. Croom did a great job assembling the class. Can't it just be that? Can't both guys get credit. Why does it have to be one or the other. As usual the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

Is that not what my entire argument has been in favor of? I'm not the one that gave Croom full credit for the class and tried to downplay Mullen's role. I stated -- and stand by -- the fact that they both deserve roughly equal credit for the class on paper -- while Mullen gets ONE HUNDRED PERCENT credit for their collegiate production and NFL advancement.

This also shows how much recruiting has changed in the last 10 years. In 2004 when Croom took over, he was handed two commits from shitty players. In 2009, Mullen was handed a solid 14 commits. If Mullen left for another school - the next coach would probably be handed 18-20 commits that would all probably stick if the new coach wanted them too.

Not really -- it just shows the extent to which Jackie TOTALLY quit the day that he quit. Nevermind that Croom didn't think it necessary to immediately show up and get to recruiting when he was hired -- instead choosing to stay with his NFL team through the end of the season. He also left in-home and official visits on the shelf his first couple of years.

Look at Muschamp at Florida - he took over in 2010 - He only committed 5 guys after coming on board. The best coach so far that I have seen come in and kick ass in his first recruiting class was Gus at AU, and I highly doubt he did that without a lot of help from the AU alumni.

Which makes Mullen adding 3 likely NFL drafted players in 2 months all the more impressive.

[engie]

What is it with message board psycho's and "agenda"? I have no agenda, lol. Croom is where he belongs and that's coaching RB's with the Titans. This thread isn't about Croom. It's about the 2009 class and Croom deserves 90% of the credit for that class. You and some others have a hard time accepting that. That's a YOU problem.

You have no agenda -- other than bitching about literally everything involving MSU -- while being MORE than happy to skew the shit out of things in order to diminish accomplishments of current MSU coaches.

Your 90% shit just shows what a moron that you are. And that's a YOU problem.

[Goat Holder]

He sure is damn near as insufferable at the Deshea stalker pervert, that much is certain.

[HancockCountyDog]

In 5 years, Croom had zero of his own recruits drafted. Zero. That's my point..

Wait, so you are just talking about the 2004 and 2005 classes, right? Because, Antonio Johnson was drafted from 2005 class, Dixon was drafted and part of the 2006 class, KJ and Sherrod from 2007 class?

I mean, you are right, but talk about an unfair grading scale if you have to count that 2004 class - like I said, Sherrill left him two players Farr and Roland Terry. Now, 2005 class had some solid players - Pegeus, Chaney, Antonio, Fitzhugh - three of whom played in NFL, but I think his inability to understand recruiting is what cost him his job. He didn't really get that you had to start recruiting earlier and earlier. By 2007 he figured it out, but his failures in the 2005 and 2006 came back to bite him in the ass by the 2008 season.

[SPMT]

Bumphis told numerous people and was even quoted in the paper as saying he wouldnt have gone to State had Croom been retained

Truth

No way in hell he comes to play in the croom coast offense.

[thf24]

Forgot about Montrell Conner. Remembered him leaving and never did hear anything else. Here's what ESPN had on a Signing Day Booms and Busts:

Biggest disappointment: RB Montrell Conner (Monroe, La.)

Conner had offers from USC, Oklahoma, Georgia and Tennessee and was ranked as the No. 7 running back prospect in the country by ESPN. He redshirted his first season and left the program in August of that next year. He attended junior college in 2010 and then signed with Troy.

I didn't realized his offer list was that impressive. He played at Co-Lin and I don't think he ever played a down at Troy.

I'm still disappointed to this day that he couldn't get past his issues, whatever they were. I remember watching him in the 2010 spring game and thinking that he'd be special for us.

[Todd4State]

People forget that Croom screwed up the recruitment of Chris Garrett (yeah, I know) and Pat Patterson. Both ended up ultimately being busts, but Garrett might have been a serviceable back-up QB and Croom messing that up would be like Ole Miss screwing up the recruitment of Ryan Buchanan. Patterson would have fit our offense better and probably would have been a decent H-back for us.


But that was a good class other than the fact that we only had two o-linemen in it, and that hurt us down the road. Especially since Gabe was the only one that panned out.

[Ronny]

I just went back and looked at our classes dating back to 2009 and that class was amazing. I don't know that we can ever produce a class like this again...

Chad Bumphis
Fletcher Cox
Josh Boyd
Tyler Russell
Chris Smith
Cam Lawrence
Ladarious Perkins
Deontae Skinner
Nickoe Whitley
Gabe Jackson
Baker Swedenburg
Pernell Mcphee
Chris White
Johnthon Banks
Leon Berry
Darius Slay

...notable exceptions, all these players would disappear in big games.

I would say this is list of underachievers.