Statement from Bin612

[sleepy dawg]

Fair enough haha

I've been to bars many times and not been drunk though, so probably unfair at the same time to say it was just drunks

The argument everyone makes in favor of the restaurant is to build up credibility for the owner/establishment outside of this particular event and minimize every patron as a kid, entitled, and/or drunk.

[dantheman4248]

The argument everyone makes in favor of the restaurant is to build up credibility for the owner/establishment outside of this particular event and minimize every patron as a kid, entitled, and/or drunk.

Too true. Regardless of if someone is drunk or sober, we all expect to be treated with common human decency. Espcecially by a service industry business. It’s wild people are going to bar for them and making this a “It’s their right” issue. Ofc it’s their right. It’s completely stupid, but you have the right to be completely stupid.

A service industry business provided piss poor customer service and rather than chastise them for a bad job, people are blaming the patrons for being entitled to expecting good service? I mean when the options are literally anywhere else that treats you with compassion and wants your service or a place that treats you like dogshit, it’s not a matter of entitledness but one of doing a poor job.

Instead of yelling “gtfo” there should have been someone shouting clear instructions on what to do in a non profane manner. “Please exit the building immediately. It is unsafe to be here. The windows are not safe to be around in times of tornadoes. For safety go across the street to the parking garage or seek actual shelter. This building is less safe than being outside.”

Something of that effect would have at least given the notion that you give an ounce of compassion about your customers. Knowing that a place doesn’t care about you as a customer makes it very easy to boycott you.

[Gutter Cobreh]

Too true. Regardless of if someone is drunk or sober, we all expect to be treated with common human decency. Espcecially by a service industry business. It’s wild people are going to bar for them and making this a “It’s their right” issue. Ofc it’s their right. It’s completely stupid, but you have the right to be completely stupid.

A service industry business provided piss poor customer service and rather than chastise them for a bad job, people are blaming the patrons for being entitled to expecting good service? I mean when the options are literally anywhere else that treats you with compassion and wants your service or a place that treats you like dogshit, it’s not a matter of entitledness but one of doing a poor job.

Instead of yelling “gtfo” there should have been someone shouting clear instructions on what to do in a non profane manner. “Please exit the building immediately. It is unsafe to be here. The windows are not safe to be around in times of tornadoes. For safety go across the street to the parking garage or seek actual shelter. This building is less safe than being outside.”

Something of that effect would have at least given the notion that you give an ounce of compassion about your customers. Knowing that a place doesn’t care about you as a customer makes it very easy to boycott you.

Did you just equate compassion and a bar???? I'm not sure how you choose your establishments to frequent, but when I was in college - I never heard anyone say let's go to XYZ because they treat me with compassion.... I did hear about drink specials, good food, good bands, etc. - but how the establishment "treated" me was never factored into it. That is unless you knew the bartender and they hooked your tab up so that you didn't pay through the nose, but I highly doubt the owner knew about it....

[dantheman4248]

Did you just equate compassion and a bar???? I'm not sure how you choose your establishments to frequent, but when I was in college - I never heard anyone say let's go to XYZ because they treat me with compassion.... I did hear about drink specials, good food, good bands, etc. - but how the establishment "treated" me was never factored into it. That is unless you knew the bartender and they hooked your tab up so that you didn't pay through the nose, but I highly doubt the owner knew about it....

“Back in my day we didn’t care if we were treated like shit.”

Yea ok cool. People my age do.

[Gutter Cobreh]

“Back in my day we didn’t care if we were treated like shit.”

Yea ok cool. People my age do.

It has nothing to do with age, but everything to do with expectations. I don't expect for a restaurant to coddle me. I expect to go in, get good service and food, pay, then leave. If a natural disaster strikes, I don't expect the establishment to wrap me up in bubble wrap and sing lullabies to me until the danger has passed. It is called personal responsibility. I've pasted a passage below that may help you understand that concept, as your replies within this thread have not shown you quite understand that concept.

"Personal responsibility is the willingness to both accept the importance of standards that society establishes for individual behavior and to make strenuous personal efforts to live by those standards. But personal responsibility also means that when individuals fail to meet expected standards, they do not look around for some factor outside themselves to blame. The demise of personal responsibility occurs when individuals blame their family, their peers, their economic circumstances, or their society for their own failure to meet standards."

[sleepy dawg]

It has nothing to do with age, but everything to do with expectations. I don't expect for a restaurant to coddle me. I expect to go in, get good service and food, pay, then leave. If a natural disaster strikes, I don't expect the establishment to wrap me up in bubble wrap and sing lullabies to me until the danger has passed. It is called personal responsibility. I've pasted a passage below that may help you understand that concept, as your replies within this thread have not shown you quite understand that concept.

"Personal responsibility is the willingness to both accept the importance of standards that society establishes for individual behavior and to make strenuous personal efforts to live by those standards. But personal responsibility also means that when individuals fail to meet expected standards, they do not look around for some factor outside themselves to blame. The demise of personal responsibility occurs when individuals blame their family, their peers, their economic circumstances, or their society for their own failure to meet standards."

This implies that for me to have personal responsibility that I must adapt to what society has established as those standards. One such standard is to treat people with respect. Another is that if you invite me into your place, you aren't just going to throw me out to the wolves.

People who went to the bar used poor judgement to go there. This much is clear. How the bar reacted in the emergency is where the "personal responsibility" failure lies though. The way the bar and its staff acted was not up to societal standards. During times of emergency a community must stick together and help each other out as best they can. Many people make bad decisions or down play the severity of weather warnings every day. In fact, I would venture to say almost everyone downplays the severity of weather warnings to some degree. Most people have been so many warnings they get desensitized, but when all the sudden you find yourself right down the street from a tornado, everything that's happened before doesn't matter anymore because right now there is a mother f*ck*ng tornado right down the road. I, for one, will do what's necessary for my survival if I find myself in that scenario and if I was working in that bar, I would not force any one to leave. I may strongly suggest it, but I would still treat people like living beings deserving of life.

[mstatefan91]

It has nothing to do with age, but everything to do with expectations. I don't expect for a restaurant to coddle me. I expect to go in, get good service and food, pay, then leave. If a natural disaster strikes, I don't expect the establishment to wrap me up in bubble wrap and sing lullabies to me until the danger has passed. It is called personal responsibility. I've pasted a passage below that may help you understand that concept, as your replies within this thread have not shown you quite understand that concept.

"Personal responsibility is the willingness to both accept the importance of standards that society establishes for individual behavior and to make strenuous personal efforts to live by those standards. But personal responsibility also means that when individuals fail to meet expected standards, they do not look around for some factor outside themselves to blame. The demise of personal responsibility occurs when individuals blame their family, their peers, their economic circumstances, or their society for their own failure to meet standards."

So the Bin has no responsibility for the safety of their patrons who are drinking at their establishment especially when the Bin potentially has more info on what the weather is doing than their patrons? What a strange way to view the world.

[Johnson85]

It has nothing to do with age, but everything to do with expectations. I don't expect for a restaurant to coddle me. I expect to go in, get good service and food, pay, then leave. If a natural disaster strikes, I don't expect the establishment to wrap me up in bubble wrap and sing lullabies to me until the danger has passed. It is called personal responsibility. I've pasted a passage below that may help you understand that concept, as your replies within this thread have not shown you quite understand that concept.

"Personal responsibility is the willingness to both accept the importance of standards that society establishes for individual behavior and to make strenuous personal efforts to live by those standards. But personal responsibility also means that when individuals fail to meet expected standards, they do not look around for some factor outside themselves to blame. The demise of personal responsibility occurs when individuals blame their family, their peers, their economic circumstances, or their society for their own failure to meet standards."

Because not kicking somebody outside when a tornado is on the 17ing ground is coddling them?

It's still amazing to me to see people come up with and justify their opinions. Mostly they come up with their opinions through picking an affinity for one "side" or another, and then just going with it. So some people are predisposed to be against students or young adults, or maybe predisposed to side with business owners or service workers or something, and they somehow convince themselves that people expecting to not be kicked out of a building during a 17ing tornado are being unreasonable and spoiled.

I mean, I knew that's the way people mostly operate, but it's still weird to see it put out there in writing.

[msstate7]

So the Bin has no responsibility for the safety of their patrons who are drinking at their establishment especially when the Bin potentially has more info on what the weather is doing than their patrons? What a strange way to view the world.

Personal responsibility for everyone but the business owner.

[Tbonewannabe]

Because not kicking somebody outside when a tornado is on the 17ing ground is coddling them?

It's still amazing to me to see people come up with and justify their opinions. Mostly they come up with their opinions through picking an affinity for one "side" or another, and then just going with it. So some people are predisposed to be against students or young adults, or maybe predisposed to side with business owners or service workers or something, and they somehow convince themselves that people expecting to not be kicked out of a building during a 17ing tornado are being unreasonable and spoiled.

I mean, I knew that's the way people mostly operate, but it's still weird to see it put out there in writing.

What I have seen is the business started kicking people out and instructing them to go across the street to the underground parking garage since a building with nothing but windows is probably the worst place to be. I haven't seen anything that makes me think they kicked people out with a tornado on the ground. Other than telling people to get the 17 out, I haven't seen anything they did that would be wrong unless I have missed something.

Is this timeline correct?

Bin 612 closes early and tells people they have to leave. Did they tell people to leave and then they stood around still trying to drink and then get told to get the 17 out or did they go straight to yelling get the 17 out?

After an hour after being kicked out, the tornado then shows up.

[gravedigger]

Personal responsibility for everyone but the business owner.

And the students who ignored the warnings. good lord dont criticize them.

[Duckdog]

why are you snowflakes still crying about this??????

[Tbonewannabe]

Personal responsibility for everyone but the business owner.

What exactly were they supposed to do?

So all the bars decided to close at a certain time which was supposed to be more than an hour before the tornado was supposed to hit.

They supposedly told patrons that the underground parking garage was where they needed to go if they couldn't make it home.

[msstate7]

What exactly were they supposed to do?

So all the bars decided to close at a certain time which was supposed to be more than an hour before the tornado was supposed to hit.

They supposedly told patrons that the underground parking garage was where they needed to go if they couldn't make it home.

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video...iFJK.mp4?tag=8

In the video, customer asked where do they go. Security, "to your cars".

[Johnson85]

What I have seen is the business started kicking people out and instructing them to go across the street to the underground parking garage since a building with nothing but windows is probably the worst place to be. I haven't seen anything that makes me think they kicked people out with a tornado on the ground. Other than telling people to get the 17 out, I haven't seen anything they did that would be wrong unless I have missed something.

Is this timeline correct?

Bin 612 closes early and tells people they have to leave. Did they tell people to leave and then they stood around still trying to drink and then get told to get the 17 out or did they go straight to yelling get the 17 out?

After an hour after being kicked out, the tornado then shows up.

That's not the timeline that has been publicized. Students are claiming they were being kicked out after the tornado warning was issued. The owner didn't dispute that in his statement. I assume that if they had tried to close down an hour before that and the ones in the video were just the patrons that hung around for an hour that the owner would have pointed that out in his statement but maybe he didn't realize what was being claimed.

[Gutter Cobreh]

This implies that for me to have personal responsibility that I must adapt to what society has established as those standards. One such standard is to treat people with respect. Another is that if you invite me into your place, you aren't just going to throw me out to the wolves.

People who went to the bar used poor judgement to go there. This much is clear. How the bar reacted in the emergency is where the "personal responsibility" failure lies though. The way the bar and its staff acted was not up to societal standards. During times of emergency a community must stick together and help each other out as best they can. Many people make bad decisions or down play the severity of weather warnings every day. In fact, I would venture to say almost everyone downplays the severity of weather warnings to some degree. Most people have been so many warnings they get desensitized, but when all the sudden you find yourself right down the street from a tornado, everything that's happened before doesn't matter anymore because right now there is a mother f*ck*ng tornado right down the road. I, for one, will do what's necessary for my survival if I find myself in that scenario and if I was working in that bar, I would not force any one to leave. I may strongly suggest it, but I would still treat people like living beings deserving of life.

I don't disagree with anything that you posted. Personal responsibility goes both ways. What you've seen within this thread though is the establishment is being held to a different standard and that these poor kids (who are of legal age to drink) were spoken to in a way that hurt their feelings. The security contractor should have handled the situation differently, but at the same time - the people within the place should acknowledge that they chose a bad time to go out and have a good time.

[mstatefan91]

What exactly were they supposed to do?

So all the bars decided to close at a certain time which was supposed to be more than an hour before the tornado was supposed to hit.

They supposedly told patrons that the underground parking garage was where they needed to go if they couldn't make it home.

That's not what happened. That's why there is an "apology" statement. They told patrons "we don't know/care. Go to your cars."

[mstatefan91]

why are you snowflakes still crying about this??????

Why do you feel the need to enter a thread that still has an ongoing discussion if you feel like the matter is closed in your mind, snowflake?

[Gutter Cobreh]

So the Bin has no responsibility for the safety of their patrons who are drinking at their establishment especially when the Bin potentially has more info on what the weather is doing than their patrons? What a strange way to view the world.

That doesn't fly in today's age. Maybe before the invention of internet and cell phones this would work, but my phone goes off anytime severe weather is in the area... As much as the younger generation is glued to their phones, they probably had more information faster than anyone working within the establishment.

[Gutter Cobreh]

Because not kicking somebody outside when a tornado is on the 17ing ground is coddling them?

It's still amazing to me to see people come up with and justify their opinions. Mostly they come up with their opinions through picking an affinity for one "side" or another, and then just going with it. So some people are predisposed to be against students or young adults, or maybe predisposed to side with business owners or service workers or something, and they somehow convince themselves that people expecting to not be kicked out of a building during a 17ing tornado are being unreasonable and spoiled.

I mean, I knew that's the way people mostly operate, but it's still weird to see it put out there in writing.

Did anyone force these folks to be there during this time? I would assume your answer would be "no", so with that in mind - at what point does someone take ownership of the decisions they made to put themselves in that situation?

I'm not absolving the restaurant/bar, but it wasn't like this weather event popped up out of nowhere. If a tornado hit that building, you're screwed regardless.