Statement from Bin612

[msstate7]

Last 2 paragraphs of statement chief

Ok, follow closely....

1. Gravedigger said no reason to apologize.
2. I said/insinuated yeah there is for the language.

Is that clear?

[BeastMan]

Ok, follow closely....

1. Gravedigger said no reason to apologize.
2. I said/insinuated yeah there is for the language.

Is that clear?

Lmao the bar should apologize for profanity

[msstate7]

Lmao the bar should apologize for profanity

Different views I suppose... I don't think GTFO all over social media is a good look though.

[Tbonewannabe]

Different views I suppose... I don't think GTFO all over social media is a good look though.

Purely guessing but drunk college students probably did nothing when people were yelling to leave. Security probably lost their cool.

[msstate7]

Purely guessing but drunk college students probably did nothing when people were yelling to leave. Security probably lost their cool.

I have no doubt. Again, I'm not saying they're wrong... just it looks bad, so an apology.

[gravedigger]

Purely guessing but drunk college students probably did nothing when people were yelling to leave. Security probably lost their cool.

You arent guessing. That warning came LONG before the tornado came through. The kids at Bin 612 who stayed ignored it.

Moral of the story, if you are going to ignore the warnings, you've passed up your right to complain about those who are trying to force you to get to a safer place.

Sure, apologizing for the language is the mature thing to do. I'll concede that.

This is 100% on the people who had time to find a safe place and waited too late.

But of course, it's never too late to blame someone else for ones own stupidity. Seems to be a common thing on social media.

[BeastMan]

Different views I suppose... I don't think GTFO all over social media is a good look though.

I agree. It’s not a good look. But that’s pretty par for the course. But you have to remember, do you have any idea how many used condoms, coke straws, empty coke baggies, pharm pill bottles, etc... that bar has probably found on their premise while they clean up? College bars are the Wild West. It ain’t like security cussed at a group of nuns

[Johnson85]

You arent guessing. That warning came LONG before the tornado came through. The kids at Bin 612 who stayed ignored it.

Moral of the story, if you are going to ignore the warnings, you've passed up your right to complain about those who are trying to force you to get to a safer place.

Sure, apologizing for the language is the mature thing to do. I'll concede that.

This is 100% on the people who had time to find a safe place and waited too late.

But of course, it's never too late to blame someone else for ones own stupidity. Seems to be a common thing on social media.

I have no basis to dispute this, but it seems crazy that the owner wouldn't have mentioned that in his statement if that were the case. That would have pretty much completely defused the issue.

[ckDOG]

Just catching up. When exactly did they tell patrons to leave? When the sirens started blowing or before as precautionary?

[gravedigger]

I have no basis to dispute this, but it seems crazy that the owner wouldn't have mentioned that in his statement if that were the case. That would have pretty much completely defused the issue.

I was on main street in the Starkville Community Theater in the middle of a play when the alerts went off. That was somewhere around 9:30-9:40. We got people downstairs in the basement until the all clear was given. You can look at the storm thread on this board and tell when people knew. Every phone in the theater went off at the same time.

Correction:

The western portion of Oktibbeha was given a warning at 9:04 pm, which is what caused the phones to go off. The alert for the tornado that passed on the eastern side of MSU was about 10:04. That was about 15-20 minutes before it passed.

Bar should have been cleared by 9:30 as a precaution. That is no excuse for the people who should have left it on the first warning for West Oktibbeha.

At the worst the kids should have gotten to a safe place at that time, 9:15 , or 15 minutes before it passed Starkville 10:05.

These storm chasers did their jobs well Saturday night and gave many people the warning they needed or the fatalities could have been worse.

[WinningIsRelentless]

If Bin 612 is going to take this approach then any time s tornado watch is issued they need to stop serving.

Thus will solve this.

[Johnson85]

I was on main street in the Starkville Community Theater in the middle of a play when the alerts went off. That was somewhere around 9:30-9:40. We got people downstairs in the basement until the all clear was given. You can look at the storm thread on this board and tell when people knew. Every phone in the theater went off at the same time.

Correction:

The western portion of Oktibbeha was given a warning at 9:04 pm, which is what caused the phones to go off. The alert for the tornado that passed on the eastern side of MSU was about 10:04. That was about 15-20 minutes before it passed.

Bar should have been cleared by 9:30 as a precaution. That is no excuse for the people who should have left it on the first warning for West Oktibbeha.

At the worst the kids should have gotten to a safe place at that time, 9:15 , or 15 minutes before it passed Starkville 10:05.

These storm chasers did their jobs well Saturday night and gave many people the warning they needed or the fatalities could have been worse.

So you are not claiming that Bin 612 gave warning a lot earlier; just that people with phones set to receive alerts would have been aware?

[gravedigger]

So you are not claiming that Bin 612 gave warning a lot earlier; just that people with phones set to receive alerts would have been aware?

I am claiming that as early as 9:04 pm there was a tornado WARNING with one on the ground in west oktibbeha county that every phone hooked up to maroon alerts and any other weather service got notified. I have no idea when a bar told people to take cover and dont particularly care. I know that many of those kids knew to get to a safe place either 1 hour prior or at the very worst at 10:04pm to take cover on the one approaching south of campus.

If people had to be told to leave after 10:05....they were willfully ignoring what was happening. Blaming the owner of a bar for not making kids do what they should have already known to do is preposterous, at best.

[Johnson85]

I am claiming that as early as 9:04 pm there was a tornado WARNING with one on the ground in west oktibbeha county that every phone hooked up to maroon alerts and any other weather service got notified. I have no idea when a bar told people to take cover and dont particularly care. I know that many of those kids knew to get to a safe place either 1 hour prior or at the very worst at 10:04pm to take cover on the one approaching south of campus.

If people had to be told to leave after 10:05....they were willfully ignoring what was happening. Blaming the owner of a bar for not making kids do what they should have already known to do is preposterous, at best.

Nobody is blaming the bar owner for not telling making patrons go find shelter earlier. They are blaming the bar employees for throwing patrons out into the street when a tornado was on the ground nearby.

The fact that there was notice to the bar employees and students doesn't make the action of the employees better, it makes them worse. According to you, they had an hour notice of a tornado, so they had plenty of time to (1) realize the risk and (2) communicate where patrons should go in the event a tornado landed nearby.

[gravedigger]

Nobody is blaming the bar owner for not telling making patrons go find shelter earlier. They are blaming the bar employees for throwing patrons out into the street when a tornado was on the ground nearby.

The fact that there was notice to the bar employees and students doesn't make the action of the employees better, it makes them worse. According to you, they had an hour notice of a tornado, so they had plenty of time to (1) realize the risk and (2) communicate where patrons should go in the event a tornado landed nearby.

Anyone staying at that bar when there was a warning of a tornado on the ground to the west of starkville has no right to blame any employee of the bar when they should have already been gone. Making the bar the focus of this cluster is the problem. The focus should be on people ignoring the warnings and not leaving before they had to be told to leave.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I think it comes down to the fact that the Bin at it's core is a college bar. I know they like to think of themselves as a restaurant and their food is decent, but it's still a college bar. College bars are generally employed by college students or new graduates. Those workers weren't thinking "ok what do we need to do to make sure everyone gets out of here safe" they were thinking "I've got to get the 17 out of here" because they've never been trained in those situations. I can almost guarantee you that there's not a bar in the Cotton District that has an emergency plan outside of maybe StaggerIn. The bars are just too small. This will be a great lesson to every bar in the District that you need to have an emergency plan in place. Everybody shares some blame in this situation. People at the bars should've known that the weather was going to get bad, The Bin should've done a better job relaying the info to the patrons, and the bouncers and cops definitely could've gone about getting everyone out in a better way. Glad no one was hurt in all this and it can just be used as a learning experience of what not to do in the future.

[mstatefan91]

STATEMENT BY BIN 612 CHEF AND OWNER TY THAMES:

We take the concerns of our customers, employees and our Starkville community very seriously. We would like to address the safety concerns brought up in regards to the emergency event last night in the Cotton District. First and foremost, we are very thankful that no one in the Cotton District or anywhere else in Starkville was injured last night due to the severe weather.

Bin 612, along with most other establishments in the Cotton District, is comprised of exterior wall to wall glass windows. The overwhelming majority of the seating for the restaurant is on the outdoor patio with the interior space having an indoor occupancy capacity of 99 people. There is no adequate indoor shelter space for what was in excess of 250 people. All indoor spaces in the restaurant face the exterior wall to wall glass windows. There is an underground storage cellar that was utilized and able to provide shelter for approximately 15 people.

Due to these safety concerns, security personnel at five Cotton District area restaurants, including Bin 612, made the decision together to close at the same time before the potential tornado was to touch down in the immediate area in an effort to give patrons time to leave and find a safe space, including the underground parking structure directly across the street.

No other bar in the Cotton District kicked out patrons. Also, why did they wait to the last minute to close and kick people out if this was the plan? Why didn't they have people out an hour or so before the severe weather? This doesn't pass the smell test

We certainly do not condone the language or aggressive behavior of any of the security company?s personnel or our staff. We know that the intent of the security personnel and our staff was to prevent serious injuries from occurring inside of glass enclosed rooms. The intent was for people to leave with time to get to a safe space, including the underground parking garage directly across the street.

You can hear patrons asking where they need to go in the video with security/employees saying "We don't care, go get in your car". The security/employees really need to be trained on this. If the intent was to put patrons in the underground parking garage then security should have been working towards escorting them there instead of cursing and pushing people.

Any security company we work with in the future will need to not only be able to clearly execute the evacuation plan to the underground parking garage in the event of a possible tornado but also to do so in a calm and compassionate manner.

They should at least know where to tell people to go and the Bin should have a real emergency plan in place for severe weather. Amazing to me that they apparently didn't.

See bold.

[TUSK]

We gotta start licensing breeding... Or, at the very least, quit artificially limiting Natural Selection.

This is stupid.

JackBoots ON [OFF]

[RocketDawg]

I have no doubt. Again, I'm not saying they're wrong... just it looks bad, so an apology.

The statement included an apology for the language didn't it? I just looked at it briefly but I thought I saw an apology in there.

I'm kinda old school where you didn't swear in the presence of females, so yeah, it looks bad. But certainly not uncommon these days. Nearly 100 years ago in "Gone With the Wind", the statement "Frankly, my Dear, I don't give a damn" was very risque?. Things have gone downhill since then relative to personal behavior.

[RocketDawg]

See bold.

That's right ... they seemed to not really have a "plan" in place and were just reacting, almost in a panic mode. Most likely that will change now.