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Originally Posted by
RocketDawg
It doesn't matter how the student views it; it's how the controlling institution views it. Yes, student views are probably more lax these days but just because students don't think it's a big deal doesn't make it any more ethically acceptable.
My point is the punishment isn't effectively relayed to the students beforehand
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Originally Posted by
Dawg61
The reason I don't agree with permanent expulsion is I don't believe that penalty is common knowledge to students. It might be for older adults but I don't think students view cheating as seriously an offense as say sexual assault or selling drugs yet all three get you expelled.
Please. Everyone is well aware that cheating puts you at risk with your school. Anyone who claims otherwise is willfully ignorant.
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Originally Posted by
Dawg61
My point is the punishment isn't effectively relayed to the students beforehand
I was actually talking to my daughter and her boyfriend about this last night (home for spring break, both MSU students - she is met, he is Mech Eng.). They are well aware of the ramifications of cheating on tests and the honor code - it is referred to in almost every class syllabus and emphasized by the instructors. My daughter told me that in her Chem class last semester, they shut down the mid term she was in and checked everyone for cheating material. Kicked out multiple kids for cheating. The cheating they describe as "usual" and "accepted" was similar to what I saw in my day - sharing of info and intel about tests, sharing old work/tests from profs who repeat themselves, etc. They said the cheating they see on tests is caught often, and gets punished regularly. Most of the in-test cheating they have seen is in STEM classes - especially the "weed out" classes - Chem, Cal, Physics.
"After dealing with Ole Miss for over a year," he said, "I've learned to expect their leadership to do and say things that the leadership at other Division I schools would never consider doing and to justify their actions by reminding themselves that "We're Ole Miss.""
- Tom Mars, Esq. 4.9.18
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Originally Posted by
Dawg61
That's passing fake counterfeit 100s at the Hunt club level dumb
Instead of the real counterfeit 100s?
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Originally Posted by
RocketDawg
I don't think he made the trips to Knoxville or Auburn, and don't think he was on the bench when we played A&M in Starkville. I could, of course, be misremembering.
He was on the bench for A&M. Walked out with Q during Sr day festivities. He's been on the bench for every home game since the suspension. Hes still practicing with the team including yesterday morning before they left to go to Nashville.
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Originally Posted by
Jack Lambert
This would not even be a issue at Ole Miss.
Well I am certain they wouldn't have an online class test during a damn game. They would have moved that test to a different time, then allowed the tutor to take it. Plausible deniability.
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Originally Posted by
Ifyouonlyknew
He was on the bench for A&M. Walked out with Q during Sr day festivities. He's been on the bench for every home game since the suspension. Hes still practicing with the team including yesterday morning before they left to go to Nashville.
OK, I suppose I just didn't notice. Do you think he made the trip to Nashville?
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Originally Posted by
Dawg61
My point is the punishment isn't effectively relayed to the students beforehand
It is though.
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Originally Posted by
RocketDawg
OK, I suppose I just didn't notice. Do you think he made the trip to Nashville?
No he hasn't made any road trips since he's been suspended.
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Originally Posted by
Quaoarsking
It is though.
It really isn't common knowledge to 18-20 year olds that they'll get expelled from school and kicked off the team permanently and you know it's not. Just cause it's posted in a syllabus doesn't change that. If the University is gonna be hardcore about cheating then they need to post warnings and reminders not to do it all over the place and make announcements about it all the time or else don't be so hardcore about it. This could be a life changing punishment being handed out to Nick and if you think he actually thought he could possibly mess up that badly and he still did it I can't help you. Some people sure are choosey about the small amount of empathy they might ever have towards others.
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Originally Posted by
Dawg61
It really isn't common knowledge to 18-20 year olds that they'll get expelled from school and kicked off the team permanently and you know it's not. Just cause it's posted in a syllabus doesn't change that. If the University is gonna be hardcore about cheating then they need to post warnings and reminders not to do it all over the place and make announcements about it all the time or else don't be so hardcore about it. This could be a life changing punishment being handed out to Nick and if you think he actually thought he could possibly mess up that badly and he still did it I can't help you. Some people sure are choosey about the small amount of empathy they might ever have towards others.
That's absolutely ridiculous. It doesn't have to be in the syllabus, college kids know the consequences of cheating. Even if they didn't, they had two years to read the syllabus. I am not saying I am not for second chances or anything; but playing the "He didn't know the consequences" card completely invalidates your point.
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Originally Posted by
Dawg61
It really isn't common knowledge to 18-20 year olds that they'll get expelled from school and kicked off the team permanently and you know it's not. Just cause it's posted in a syllabus doesn't change that. If the University is gonna be hardcore about cheating then they need to post warnings and reminders not to do it all over the place and make announcements about it all the time or else don't be so hardcore about it. This could be a life changing punishment being handed out to Nick and if you think he actually thought he could possibly mess up that badly and he still did it I can't help you. Some people sure are choosey about the small amount of empathy they might ever have towards others.
Complete. Utter. Horseshit.
The kids on campus know that the school is hard on kids about cheating on exams becuase they see it happen. They see kids get caught and get punished. Hell, this isn't even the first athlete kicked out of school over it (allegedly) in the last few years.
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He was on the bench vs A&M. Goddamman.. he was on the senior court with Q. Dubmass
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Originally Posted by
BrunswickDawg
Complete. Utter. Horseshit.
The kids on campus know that the school is hard on kids about cheating on exams becuase they see it happen. They see kids get caught and get punished. Hell, this isn't even the first athlete kicked out of school over it (allegedly) in the last few years.
Lol why so passionate?
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Originally Posted by
Ifyouonlyknew
He was on the bench for A&M. Walked out with Q during Sr day festivities. He's been on the bench for every home game since the suspension. Hes still practicing with the team including yesterday morning before they left to go to Nashville.
This makes me think he has a chance to stay with us
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Originally Posted by
Dawg61
It really isn't common knowledge to 18-20 year olds that they'll get expelled from school and kicked off the team permanently and you know it's not. Just cause it's posted in a syllabus doesn't change that. If the University is gonna be hardcore about cheating then they need to post warnings and reminders not to do it all over the place and make announcements about it all the time or else don't be so hardcore about it. This could be a life changing punishment being handed out to Nick and if you think he actually thought he could possibly mess up that badly and he still did it I can't help you. Some people sure are choosey about the small amount of empathy they might ever have towards others.
Homie, the honor code is in EVERY single classroom.
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Originally Posted by
Rayburn8
Homie, the honor code is in EVERY single classroom.
Posted like the health department score at every restaurant yet how many patrons actually know the rating
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Originally Posted by
Dawg61
It really isn't common knowledge to 18-20 year olds that they'll get expelled from school and kicked off the team permanently and you know it's not. Just cause it's posted in a syllabus doesn't change that. If the University is gonna be hardcore about cheating then they need to post warnings and reminders not to do it all over the place and make announcements about it all the time or else don't be so hardcore about it. This could be a life changing punishment being handed out to Nick and if you think he actually thought he could possibly mess up that badly and he still did it I can't help you. Some people sure are choosey about the small amount of empathy they might ever have towards others.
It is, and I know that it is. Maybe things were different when you were in school, but nowadays every professor goes out of their way to talk about the consequences of cheating. Plus the athletes get all kinds of extra reminders of why they just can't cheat beyond what normal students get.
You're probably right that Nick wasn't some diabolical mastermind who was trying to devalue other people's degrees and get away with it, but if the rumors about him cheating are true, he really doesn't have a leg to stand on.
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Originally Posted by
Dawg61
Posted like the health department score at every restaurant yet how many patrons actually know the rating
Every single student that even halfway pays attention is aware of the honor code and the remifications of cheating. It really isn’t some kind of secret. You’re taking a real risk when you cheat
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Anyone know if Nick is on the bench tonight?
"The QB and the receiver weren't on the same page there, but hey its only week eleven". (Jack Cristil)
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