MSU Football Currently Comes Down to This...

[ShotgunDawg]

John Cohen hired a guy that was in no way, shape, or form prepared to run an SEC program.

He hired a trendy coach that...

- Gets used by recruits as a safety net to accumulate other offers.

- Gets used by coaches to get their foot in the SEC

- Gets abused by other coaches in games and we just say there is a learning curve.

I'm willing to give a coach the benefit of the doubt with a learning curve in some areas, so long as it's worth it due to him being elite in other areas. Mullen sucked at recruiting but he was elite with Xs and Os. Therefore you deal with the lack of recruiting ability and hope it comes.

So, what does JoMo do well? Why are we allowing a learning curve in virtually every facet of the program?

Is there anything he does that doesn't envolve a learning curve?

We call a guy that needs a learning curve in everything "not ready for the job"

It's getting bad.

[bluelightstar]

John Cohen hired a guy that was in no way, shape, or form prepared to run an SEC program.

He hired a trendy coach that...

- Gets used by recruits as a safety net to accumulate other offers.

- Gets used by coaches to get their foot in the SEC

- Gets abused by other coaches in games and we just say there is a learning curve.

I'm willing to give a coach the benefit of the doubt with a learning curve in some areas, so long as it's worth it due to him being elite in other areas. Mullen sucked at recruiting but he was elite with Xs and Os. Therefore you deal with the lack of recruiting ability and hope it comes.

So, what does JoMo do well? Why are we allowing a learning curve in virtually every facet of the program?

Is there anything he does that doesn't envolve a learning curve?

We call a guy that needs a learning curve in everything "not ready for the job"

It's getting bad.

He had a good resume, but in the business world, people with good resumes don't work out all the time. But in college football, instead of cutting bait, the answer is keep digging. Moorhead will get 2 more years. Better hope he figures it out instead of Crxxming our program.

[BankerDog]

Dude is two dropped passes from being 10-2...Jesus. And honestly it?s three dropped passes because if Willie doesn?t botch the pick-6 before half against FL it?s a different ball game in the second half.

That?s the fact of life. The players didn?t step up when the coaches put them in a position to win. It happened time and time again this year. And who recruited those players?

It?s funny watching this fanbase. All of you wanted Mullen gone and now you?re all wanting him back. Guys wanted A-Train to sit behind Hill at the beginning of the year and now people wonder why he didn?t start all year. It?s laughable watching the crap on this board.

[KOdawg1]

He's got next year for me. I know he'll probably get 2 more at least, but I'm not sold on Joe Moorhead. Looked to be a decent hire at first, but maybe it's just not a good fit. He's got next year to change my mind.

[preachermatt83]

I'm tired of him already.

[Bothrops]

John Cohen hired a guy that was in no way, shape, or form prepared to run an SEC program.

Few that are, even fewer at MSU.

[Gutter Cobreh]

John Cohen hired a guy that was in no way, shape, or form prepared to run an SEC program.

He hired a trendy coach that...

- Gets used by recruits as a safety net to accumulate other offers.

- Gets used by coaches to get their foot in the SEC

- Gets abused by other coaches in games and we just say there is a learning curve.

I'm willing to give a coach the benefit of the doubt with a learning curve in some areas, so long as it's worth it due to him being elite in other areas. Mullen sucked at recruiting but he was elite with Xs and Os. Therefore you deal with the lack of recruiting ability and hope it comes.

So, what does JoMo do well? Why are we allowing a learning curve in virtually every facet of the program?

Is there anything he does that doesn't envolve a learning curve?

We call a guy that needs a learning curve in everything "not ready for the job"

It's getting bad.

Keep taking your shot Jackie Moon... eventually you'll be right, but in the meantime please quit melting about literally everything. It gets old.

[Cooterpoot]

Moorhead is done. He won’t survive next year. When your main staff guys jump ship, it’s over.

[whosyourdawgy]

I continue to be amazed at MSU fans. We lose a middle of the pack corner back and the damn end of the world is near. How does this constant complaining and negative BS posted on message boards and twitter do anything to help? It doesnt. This one here must be a freaking joy to be around. Glad Im not

[MetEdDawg]

John Cohen hired a guy that was in no way, shape, or form prepared to run an SEC program.

He hired a trendy coach that...

- Gets used by recruits as a safety net to accumulate other offers.

- Gets used by coaches to get their foot in the SEC

- Gets abused by other coaches in games and we just say there is a learning curve.

I'm willing to give a coach the benefit of the doubt with a learning curve in some areas, so long as it's worth it due to him being elite in other areas. Mullen sucked at recruiting but he was elite with Xs and Os. Therefore you deal with the lack of recruiting ability and hope it comes.

So, what does JoMo do well? Why are we allowing a learning curve in virtually every facet of the program?

Is there anything he does that doesn't envolve a learning curve?

We call a guy that needs a learning curve in everything "not ready for the job"

It's getting bad.

Pretty sure we can say the exact same thing about Mullen in all of those things.

Plenty of recruits kept us warm under Dan.

Diaz straight up used Mullen as a stepping stone not once but twice. Collins did too and technically so did Grantham.

And Dan got his ass reamed by Georgia, Bama, Auburn, and LSU. And that was more than 5 years AFTER he had been here.

Welcome to MSU. Not the new MSU. But the same damn one we've had for a decade. Wake up and realize it's not Moorhead. It's MSU.

[Coursesuper]

Moorhead is done. He won’t survive next year. When your main staff guys jump ship, it’s over.

Your right.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

He hired a trendy coach that...

- Gets used by coaches to get their foot in the SEC.

I mean to be fair Mullen couldn't keep coaches either, and they didn't leave to get "I coached under Saban" on their resume either. Turner left for the same DL job at A&M, Diaz used us as a stepping stone x2, Collins ditched us for the same job elsewhere... Moorhead has lost 1 guy to Bama, that's it. I'm shocked we've kept the defensive staff in place

[Todd4State]

Pretty sure we can say the exact same thing about Mullen in all of those things.

Plenty of recruits kept us warm under Dan.

Diaz straight up used Mullen as a stepping stone not once but twice. Collins did too and technically so did Grantham.

And Dan got his ass reamed by Georgia, Bama, Auburn, and LSU. And that was more than 5 years AFTER he had been here.

Welcome to MSU. Not the new MSU. But the same damn one we've had for a decade. Wake up and realize it's not Moorhead. It's MSU.

But it's supposed to all change in one season because everyone had extremely high expectations that didn't come to fruition. So it's all totally Joe's fault.

[BuckyIsAB****]

John Cohen hired a guy that was in no way, shape, or form prepared to run an SEC program.

He hired a trendy coach that...

- Gets used by recruits as a safety net to accumulate other offers.

- Gets used by coaches to get their foot in the SEC

- Gets abused by other coaches in games and we just say there is a learning curve.

I'm willing to give a coach the benefit of the doubt with a learning curve in some areas, so long as it's worth it due to him being elite in other areas. Mullen sucked at recruiting but he was elite with Xs and Os. Therefore you deal with the lack of recruiting ability and hope it comes.

So, what does JoMo do well? Why are we allowing a learning curve in virtually every facet of the program?

Is there anything he does that doesn't envolve a learning curve?

We call a guy that needs a learning curve in everything "not ready for the job"

It's getting bad.

All that and we still went 8-5 and have a top 25 class.

Im not defending Moorhead on the field, I am defending his recruiting because he is pretty good at it, better than Mullen by a lot. Every coach gets used and every coach uses players its just the name of the game. Im not defending what he did on the field this year at all, it was a solid D to C job at best. Has to improve. I have heard some things over the past few days now that Fitz is gone about how much he hampered us, esp in the bowl but he is gone now. Next year he will not have that excuse.

Im just saying it isnt as bad as you are making it out to be. Its not like we went 4-8. Before you even reply let me repeat, I am not saying I am ok with that this year, we had a 10 win team that Moorhead coached to 8 wins because he wanted to do what he is comfortable with and not what we could do.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Dude is two dropped passes from being 10-2...Jesus. And honestly it?s three dropped passes because if Willie doesn?t botch the pick-6 before half against FL it?s a different ball game in the second half.

That?s the fact of life. The players didn?t step up when the coaches put them in a position to win. It happened time and time again this year. And who recruited those players?

It?s funny watching this fanbase. All of you wanted Mullen gone and now you?re all wanting him back. Guys wanted A-Train to sit behind Hill at the beginning of the year and now people wonder why he didn?t start all year. It?s laughable watching the crap on this board.

That is a lame excuse as well. He wouldnt be 3 dropped passes away if he had done what his kids could do and not sacrificed a 10 win season just to run his system, and run it like shit.

And at the end of the day, you cant fire players but you can fire coaches

[BankerDog]

All that and we still went 8-5 and have a top 25 class.

Im not defending Moorhead on the field, I am defending his recruiting because he is pretty good at it, better than Mullen by a lot. Every coach gets used and every coach uses players its just the name of the game. Im not defending what he did on the field this year at all, it was a solid D to C job at best. Has to improve. I have heard some things over the past few days now that Fitz is gone about how much he hampered us, esp in the bowl but he is gone now. Next year he will not have that excuse.

Im just saying it isnt as bad as you are making it out to be. Its not like we went 4-8. Before you even reply let me repeat, I am not saying I am ok with that this year, we had a 10 win team that Moorhead coached to 8 wins because he wanted to do what he is comfortable with and not what we could do.

And him not running his offense would set us back this year. There?s a trade off. If players make plays, we?re 10-2.

I don?t always agree with you, but you have a connection I do. Ask him about Fitz and you?ll learn a lot more.

[BankerDog]

That is a lame excuse as well. He wouldnt be 3 dropped passes away if he had done what his kids could do and not sacrificed a 10 win season just to run his system, and run it like shit.

And at the end of the day, you cant fire players but you can fire coaches

Coaches jobs are to put players in positions to win games. He did in both of those games. They didn?t execute when the opportunity presented itself. That?s a fact.

You?re a coach, you should know that.

[BuckyIsAB****]

The melt around here wouldnt be nearly as bad had we won the bowl game. Its understandable but predictable. Hundreds of other programs lost coaches and lost commits but around here we are ready to fire a guy bc of it. Moorhead is an extremely geniune and likable guy, he will recruit well and other coaches will love to coach with him. My biggest fear with him is in fact if he is too nice, that is yet to be seen.

I didnt think Huff would leave but he's gone, the hell with him. Hopefully we beat his ass next year, its only the end of the world when we lose to OM and we beat them

[BuckyIsAB****]

Coaches jobs are to put players in positions to win games. He did in both of those games. They didn?t execute when the opportunity presented itself. That?s a fact.

You?re a coach, you should know that.

You are singleing out 3 plays in an entire season where he tried to run something his players couldnt do. True if those kids make those 3 particular plays then we win those games, but those kids also made plays in other games that we did win.

If Moorhead had done what his team could do, we would have won at least 10. He decided it would be better to go ahead and run his system anyway, I guess he thinks its worth the sacrifice. I dont because this was a special team but thats just me.

[Todd4State]

You are singleing out 3 plays in an entire season where he tried to run something his players couldnt do. True if those kids make those 3 particular plays then we win those games, but those kids also made plays in other games that we did win.

If Moorhead had done what his team could do, we would have won at least 10. He decided it would be better to go ahead and run his system anyway, I guess he thinks its worth the sacrifice. I dont because this was a special team but thats just me.

Heaven forbid we should ask our WR's to catch the ball.**