Bama is Losing A Bunch of Coaches

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

So long as you're OK not competing for anything. I want to build something that can win the West & compete for a playoff spot, but without continuity, it has no chance of happening

As you've noted, we aren't a national brand and so have an inherent uphill battle in recruiting (not to mention MS being a small state with 2 SEC teams in it). So we have to first establish consistent, high level coaching to change that narrative.

But we can't do that without suddenly doubling our booster contributions. We will never be able to do what LSU did and make a DC the highest paid assistant in football. We will never pull an A&M and shell out $9.5M a year for the HC and DC combo. We can't do $20M+ buyouts like Auburn and A&M. And whether it's fair or not, ADs will always like the idea of hiring a guy who's coached under Saban, so if a good DC can pick between us he'll always pick Bama. We've lost assistants to the exact same job at a higher paying schools several times

I'm not trying to be a Debbie Downer or a pessimist, I just don't see how we can ever compete with: LSU's easy recruiting and money, Bama's easy recruiting and money, Auburn's easier recruiting and money, A&M's easier recruiting and money, and an Arkansas program that has the Waltons and Jerry Jones, either one of which could easily out fund us at the drop of a hat. Most of these programs have flashier stadiums, a better history, more um, lets call it "booster assistance", and better college town too.

I get you want us to take the next step and I can't fault you for always trying to see a path to get there. I just don't see a way we can consistently hope to get better than a #20-25 recruiting average or a staff that isn't one of the least paid in the SEC. I mean we have like NOBODY involved in our program that has the money these other SEC boosters have

[Bdawg]

I don't see how MSU can take the next step without staff continuity.

I scared that Moorhead is going to recruit his type of players, turn things around, & then leave, at which point in time we are stuck right back in the same spot we are now.

Without a big brand, I don't know how you can build your program without staff continuity

Kinda like Clemson. Seems they have kept their main pieces together for a while. Also doesn't hurt being in the ACC and not the SEC west. Not sure what their booster situation is like either.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Huff isnt going anywhere for an assistant job...the only defensive coach I have heard could leave wont be till after this coming season

[fader2103]

I agree I don't see Huff leaving for just an assistant job. Maybe as a Co-Coordinator or HC job. Huff left PSU (a blue blood) to come with Moorhead. I think this shows he believes in what Moorhead is doing. I will say though if Huff did leave to go to Bama I wouldn't blame him. You can't blame a coach wanting to go to one of the best if not the best program college football.

[Pit Bull]

I know Gattis is leaving for an OC job so he's getting a promotion. Locksley got a HC job. Now I'm not sure about Key but I could see Collins giving him a Co-OC title to get him a raise. They've had something like 20 different assistant coaches leave the last 3 years. The beat goes on.

And yet they keep on tickin'...?.this is where Saban is at his best.

[CrazyEyeKilla]

It?s Bama, it won?t matter.

[Todd4State]

I don't see how MSU can take the next step without staff continuity.

I scared that Moorhead is going to recruit his type of players, turn things around, & then leave, at which point in time we are stuck right back in the same spot we are now.

Without a big brand, I don't know how you can build your program without staff continuity

The only way I see us having the kind of continuity that you are talking about happening is for there to be a MSU alum or Mississippian that is a really hot coaching prospect that takes our job where MSU is his dream job. Sort of like Cohen did in baseball and while people may not like this comparison- Freeze at Ole Miss. The closest thing that we have to that is probably Hud so unless someone emerges from within our own ranks I think the stepping stone route is the best way for us to go.

And I don't really understand what you are saying about "turn things around". We're already still where we were when Dan was here. We had a disappointing season because of the high fan expectations- but at the same time we didn't take a step back from where we have been since 2014-2017 either. We'll see how we finish in recruiting- that's the next thing. But if we are able to increase our win total per year to 9-10 and improve our recruiting at the same time and then Joe leaves in a few years we would have actually progressed. Which would in theory make us more attractive to the next coach.

[Todd4State]

As you've noted, we aren't a national brand and so have an inherent uphill battle in recruiting (not to mention MS being a small state with 2 SEC teams in it). So we have to first establish consistent, high level coaching to change that narrative.

But we can't do that without suddenly doubling our booster contributions. We will never be able to do what LSU did and make a DC the highest paid assistant in football. We will never pull an A&M and shell out $9.5M a year for the HC and DC combo. We can't do $20M+ buyouts like Auburn and A&M. And whether it's fair or not, ADs will always like the idea of hiring a guy who's coached under Saban, so if a good DC can pick between us he'll always pick Bama. We've lost assistants to the exact same job at a higher paying schools several times

I'm not trying to be a Debbie Downer or a pessimist, I just don't see how we can ever compete with: LSU's easy recruiting and money, Bama's easy recruiting and money, Auburn's easier recruiting and money, A&M's easier recruiting and money, and an Arkansas program that has the Waltons and Jerry Jones, either one of which could easily out fund us at the drop of a hat. Most of these programs have flashier stadiums, a better history, more um, lets call it "booster assistance", and better college town too.

I get you want us to take the next step and I can't fault you for always trying to see a path to get there. I just don't see a way we can consistently hope to get better than a #20-25 recruiting average or a staff that isn't one of the least paid in the SEC. I mean we have like NOBODY involved in our program that has the money these other SEC boosters have

At the same time we were paying Dan significantly more than what we are paying Joe and offered Dan significantly more to stay. Since we don't have any major facility construction going on in football I have to believe that we are saving money.

To me the issue seems to be from a distance at least that at times our boosters aren't as committed to getting certain in state players as Ole Miss is at times. Yes, I'm sure we have won our fair share of bidding wars but it seems like it's only in certain parts of the state. I don't think we have ever pulled a major non-MSU fan football recruit from Madison Central for example. And then we weren't even in on Akers and Dean- those are two of the better players in Mississippi High School history and we barely even were on their radar. That has to change a little bit to where we are doing that throughout the entire state.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Bad rumor.

Looks like I was wrong.

[Dawgfan77]

Looks like I was wrong.

You hearing as many as 3 leaving ?

[Homedawg]

Yep.

[Homedawg]

Huff isnt going anywhere for an assistant job...the only defensive coach I have heard could leave wont be till after this coming season

Incorrect.

[msstate7]

Yep.

This counting hud?

[Homedawg]

This counting hud?

No.

[Dawgfan77]

This counting hud?

No three more in addition to HUD

[Dawgfan77]

All I will say is that UF is looking for at DB coach

[msstate7]

No.

Getsy, huff, and I assume a def coach.... please don't say shoop

[dawgday166]

No three more in addition to HUD

Which 3? Huff, Getsy, and ??

[Homedawg]

Getsy, huff, and I assume a def coach.... please don't say shoop

2 outta 3 at this point.

[msstate7]

All I will say is that UF is looking for at DB coach

If we hold shoop that shouldn't be so bad considering shoop is a secondary guy, right?