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Missed explosive plays not better than a steady hard-nosed running attack where talented RB's actually get about 20 plus carries. JMO. I saw a freeze frame of an "RPO" play on an NFL game the other night and the announcers "explaining" it. They said the right side of the line was pass blocking in case it was a pass play( receivers on that side running routes) and the left side of the line was run blocking in case the QB chose a run play. Looked like a chance for the left side to have linemen down field on a passing play, unless it was UM linemen and SEC officials.***
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The explanation is very simple:
Our players suck against really good SEC defenses and light up weaker defenses. For us to beat the elite defenses we need to get better at QB, WR, and OL. The positions the Country Club didn't recruit very well.
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Originally Posted by
Todd4State
The explanation is very simple:
Our players suck against really good SEC defenses and light up weaker defenses. For us to beat the elite defenses we need to get better at QB, WR, and OL. The positions the Country Club didn't recruit very well.
Then why were the numbers different under Mullen , for better or worse?
CAN'T PUT A SADDLE ON A MUSTANG
Quit Your Bi$&$&?!, He's Not Going to Run the Ball More
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Originally Posted by
ShotgunDawg
Then why were the numbers different under Mullen , for better or worse?
Because we typically played fewer elite defenses under Dan?
I think what's mainly different is Kentucky is good this year. We've always struggled against elite teams under Dan.
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Originally Posted by
Todd4State
Because we typically played fewer elite defenses under Dan?
I think what's mainly different is Kentucky is good this year. We've always struggled against elite teams under Dan.
We had virtually the same O players back this year that put up 45 on KY last year. They were however expected to run a new O that doesn't fit their skill set. That good KY team hasn't looked too good the last two games.
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Originally Posted by
Todd4State
Because we typically played fewer elite defenses under Dan?
I think what's mainly different is Kentucky is good this year. We've always struggled against elite teams under Dan.
Bama, Georgia and Auburn last year were better than the top 3 defenses we have faced this season. And if you are going all the way back to Dan’s beginning, 2010-12 was by far and cannot be questioned as one of if not the most difficult run of defenses historically we have run up against
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Originally Posted by
Todd4State
Because we typically played fewer elite defenses under Dan?
I think what's mainly different is Kentucky is good this year. We've always struggled against elite teams under Dan.
This is pretty much all the stats I have been putting out today. UK having the #11 scoring defense in the country along with playing them on the Road is pretty much the difference between 9 wins and everybody happy. Even with that, if Mitchell catches the pass against UF and we win then we still win 9 games and everyone bitches about losing to UK for win 10.
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Originally Posted by
Goldendawg
We had virtually the same O players back this year that put up 45 on KY last year. They were however expected to run a new O that doesn't fit their skill set. That good KY team hasn't looked too good the last two games.
That good UK team got broken by UGA. We will see if they go into a spiral or if they get back to what they were doing.
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Originally Posted by
Goldendawg
We had virtually the same O players back this year that put up 45 on KY last year. They were however expected to run a new O that doesn't fit their skill set. That good KY team hasn't looked too good the last two games.
We also had a lot of the same players on O in 2016 when we lost to them then. THAT Kentucky team last year is not the same team as this years. And it seems like most of our fans don't get this. And yeah- so Kentucky lost to Georgia. Are we as good as Georgia? I don't think so. And then they lost on the road to Tennessee. They're still going to end up winning 9 game and ahead of us in the BCS poll.
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Originally Posted by
Really Clark?
Bama, Georgia and Auburn last year were better than the top 3 defenses we have faced this season. And if you are going all the way back to Dan’s beginning, 2010-12 was by far and cannot be questioned as one of if not the most difficult run of defenses historically we have run up against
Scoring defense says differently. Actual Points per game last year UGA gave up 16.4 ppg and AU 18.5. This year UK is giving up 16.2 and AU is giving up 18.3.
LSU actually improved their defense from last year from 18.9 to 16.7.
So as far as teams scoring points, we faced better defenses this year. We also faced LSU and Bama at home last year. When we went on the road to UGA and AU, we scored 3 and 10 points.
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Originally Posted by
Really Clark?
Bama, Georgia and Auburn last year were better than the top 3 defenses we have faced this season. And if you are going all the way back to Dan’s beginning, 2010-12 was by far and cannot be questioned as one of if not the most difficult run of defenses historically we have run up against
And how did these players do against those defenses last year? We had one decent game against Alabama- at home with their linebackers out.
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Originally Posted by
Todd4State
We also had a lot of the same players on O in 2016 when we lost to them then. THAT Kentucky team last year is not the same team as this years. And it seems like most of our fans don't get this. And yeah- so Kentucky lost to Georgia. Are we as good as Georgia? I don't think so. And then they lost on the road to Tennessee. They're still going to end up winning 9 game and ahead of us in the BCS poll.
This is what people don't understand either. Being on the Road is a lot more detrimental to the offense. Our only bad home game was to UF and we were a Mitchell catch away from winning that game. No one wants to admit that Mullen sucked on the road for 8 out of 9 years but now Joe is supposed to kick ass with someone who doesn't fit his offense at QB.
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Originally Posted by
Todd4State
And how did these players do against those defenses last year? We had one decent game against Alabama- at home with their linebackers out.
LSU and Bama had defensive players out that helped us tremendously. No one takes that into account.
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Originally Posted by
Todd4State
We also had a lot of the same players on O in 2016 when we lost to them then. THAT Kentucky team last year is not the same team as this years. And it seems like most of our fans don't get this. And yeah- so Kentucky lost to Georgia. Are we as good as Georgia? I don't think so. And then they lost on the road to Tennessee. They're still going to end up winning 9 game and ahead of us in the BCS poll.
I still think that they are overrated and we should and could have beaten them. JMO. My floor this year was not 6 or 7 games which could still happen, but I will be in Starkville with my son Sat and hope to see #7 and UM be victory #8. Hail State!
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Originally Posted by
Tbonewannabe
Scoring defense says differently. Actual Points per game last year UGA gave up 16.4 ppg and AU 18.5. This year UK is giving up 16.2 and AU is giving up 18.3.
LSU actually improved their defense from last year from 18.9 to 16.7.
So as far as teams scoring points, we faced better defenses this year. We also faced LSU and Bama at home last year. When we went on the road to UGA and AU, we scored 3 and 10 points.
I’m using the DFEI rankings to offset all of the on the road, field position, etc. since their numbers include the extra times they played each other. Even going by SEC only stats they played 9-10 conference games because of the extra games with each other.
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Originally Posted by
Tbonewannabe
This is pretty much all the stats I have been putting out today. UK having the #11 scoring defense in the country along with playing them on the Road is pretty much the difference between 9 wins and everybody happy. Even with that, if Mitchell catches the pass against UF and we win then we still win 9 games and everyone bitches about losing to UK for win 10.
It's VERY obvious if you look at the stats. There's a reason why we never look "lost" and we perform well against Texas A&M and Auburn.
And the solution is VERY obvious too- recruit better at the skill positions to match up better against the elite teams.

Originally Posted by
Tbonewannabe
Scoring defense says differently. Actual Points per game last year UGA gave up 16.4 ppg and AU 18.5. This year UK is giving up 16.2 and AU is giving up 18.3.
LSU actually improved their defense from last year from 18.9 to 16.7.
So as far as teams scoring points, we faced better defenses this year. We also faced LSU and Bama at home last year. When we went on the road to UGA and AU, we scored 3 and 10 points.
Thank you. And that's why I never bought the "Dan would have beaten x" logic this year.
The only way we're wrong is if we struggle against Arkansas and Ole Miss. But the trends with our stats say that is unlikely.
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Originally Posted by
Todd4State
And how did these players do against those defenses last year? We had one decent game against Alabama- at home with their linebackers out.
Three times better than this offense against less defenses. But concerning the OP about the less per attempt totals, 4, 4.18, and 4.52 per play. This year 3.35, 3.48 and 3.38
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Originally Posted by
Goldendawg
I still think that they are overrated and we should and could have beaten them. JMO. My floor this year was not 6 or 7 games which could still happen, but I will be in Starkville with my son Sat and hope to see #7 and UM be victory #8. Hail State!
Well, I think Kate Upton should date me. Doesn't mean that is what reality is.
Kentucky does normally suck and I do not think that this year is sustainable in any way shape or form for them. They're having a season similar to our 1999 season for them. But as for THIS year they are legit. I fully expect to beat them next year in Starkville.
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Originally Posted by
Tbonewannabe
LSU and Bama had defensive players out that helped us tremendously. No one takes that into account.
Because we had offensive players out as well during the year
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Originally Posted by
Really Clark?
Three times better than this offense against less defenses. But concerning the OP about the less per attempt totals, 4, 4.18, and 4.52 per play. This year 3.35, 3.48 and 3.38
Three times better? Point totals? What kind of red herring is that?
If anything we've performed better against lesser defenses than Dan did last year. How quickly we forget UMass, Arkansas, and Ole Miss last year.
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