If you are AD, what do you do today and at the end of the year?

[Dawgfan77]

Why do you think the next hire will be the right one?

If not Moorhead, who should Cohen have hired?

A few reasons. I don?t think Cohn gets the final say ala Lofers with Howland. So the process will be done much different.
Your second question was who should we have hired. Bill Clark would have been a good choice, Seth Litrell or Neal Brown. I stand by my opinion that we needed a Proven HC with the team we had returning and the program we had established

[Dawgfan77]

Let me point out another thing that does t get talked about much. At Penn State the commitment to the run with Barkley helped the offense tremendously it also opened up the pass. Franklin was an OC at Maryland and gameplaned with the offense staff at PSU, don?t think for a minute that slowmo didn?t get overruled when he wanted to have a game plan to pass or a play call to pass a few times a game. We have no one here that?s going to challenge the call against slowmo

[dawgday166]

Like I have posted before. We had a lot of interest in the job. Cohn was mystified by joe in the interview and made the hire. It was an awkward hire day one. Now here is an important fact so pay attention to those who A think we can?t fire him after one year and B those think we can?t attract another guy. Coaches knew the talent we had returning and coaches know what a shitty job joe has done. We will however have to probably offer a 4 year contract guaranteed with a substantial buyout. I?m ok with that because I?m of the opinion the next guy we hire will be the right guy.

What does this awkward hire day one mean? From everything I read leading up to the season, everything was peaches and cream, Joe was well liked and everything in the football offices was more pleasant since Dan left & Joe got hired, etc.

[Doggie_Style]

What does this awkward hire day one mean? From everything I read leading up to the season, everything was peaches and cream, Joe was well liked and everything in the football offices was more pleasant since Dan left & Joe got hired, etc.

I thought he looked like a fish out of water from the time he got off the plane and rung a bell....and then started spewing that crap about ring sizes and trophys....it was comical

[ShotgunDawg]

A few reasons. I don?t think Cohn gets the final say ala Lofers with Howland. So the process will be done much different.
Your second question was who should we have hired. Bill Clark would have been a good choice, Seth Litrell or Neal Brown. I stand by my opinion that we needed a Proven HC with the team we had returning and the program we had established

So you're ready to take the decision out of Cohen's hands and give it to some one who has never made that type of hire?

Why? That's seems pretty arrogant.

You think our fan base would've accepted Bill Clark to follow Mullen?

[ShotgunDawg]

I thought he looked like a fish out of water from the time he got off the plane and rung a bell....and then started spewing that crap about ring sizes and trophys....it was comical

So, we shouldn't have hired him because you thought he looked like a fish out of water? Lol. Way to break it down there.

Did you ever meet Mullen when he first got to MSU? He sounded like an introverted weirdo.

[Dawgfan77]

So you're ready to take the decision out of Cohen's hands and give it to some one who has never made that type of hire?

Why? That's seems pretty arrogant.

You think our fan base would've accepted Bill Clark to follow Mullen?

I appreciate your blind faith in Moorhead but I prefer to look at on the field results and not blind faith. . He looks lost and unorganized. Not a good quality to have at a HC in the SEC. This so called offense is preforming at historically low production and he has refused to adapt. Yet another strike against him. His play calling has no ryme or reason and SEC defense are using BASIC stuff to stop us. A third strike against this genius. He makes no in game or half time adjustments be blatantly refused to change. He and the staff don?t go out and recruit Friday nights while other SEC coaches do. Yep another strike No matter a change in QB or personal is going to change any of the above mentioned. The offense is not going to work and he has proven in 7 games he is willing to lose his way than try and win another way.
I?m not sure what anyone on here sees that says give him time. This was a bad hire. The sooner we end this the better the program will be
I m open to a discussion if you can show me examples of how he is running this program to be successful. Before you go all well look at AU game, I did give him kiddos for that. Then with two weeks to build off of that he goes right back to the UK and UF game plan.

So let?s hear it. What has he done to say yep we are in the right track

[Coursesuper]

So you're ready to take the decision out of Cohen's hands and give it to some one who has never made that type of hire?

Why? That's seems pretty arrogant.

You think our fan base would've accepted Bill Clark to follow Mullen?

Cohen didn?t have a lot of guidance on the football hire this time, but I will bet that when the next one comes, if he?s still the AD, he will be doing as he is told. And yes I think our fan base would have welcomed Bill Clark with open arms, he?s much more polished than the Pruitt at TN.

As far as taking the hiring of a P5 football coach away from the AD, I?d say it the norm that the AD with guidance from President, Board members and very influential alumni is how it?s handled.

And all loafers had to do with the Howland hire was to stand there and smile at the pc, the rest was done by prez and 1 alumni.

[ShotgunDawg]

I appreciate your blind faith in Moorhead but I prefer to look at on the field results and not blind faith. . He looks lost and unorganized. Not a good quality to have at a HC in the SEC. This so called offense is preforming at historically low production and he has refused to adapt. Yet another strike against him. His play calling has no ryme or reason and SEC defense are using BASIC stuff to stop us. A third strike against this genius. He makes no in game or half time adjustments be blatantly refused to change. He and the staff don?t go out and recruit Friday nights while other SEC coaches do. Yep another strike No matter a change in QB or personal is going to change any of the above mentioned. The offense is not going to work and he has proven in 7 games he is willing to lose his way than try and win another way.
I?m not sure what anyone on here sees that says give him time. This was a bad hire. The sooner we end this the better the program will be
I m open to a discussion if you can show me examples of how he is running this program to be successful. Before you go all well look at AU game, I did give him kiddos for that. Then with two weeks to build off of that he goes right back to the UK and UF game plan.

So let?s hear it. What has he done to say yep we are in the right track

FWIW, I'm not defending Moorhead. He has sucked.

What I'm fighting against is dumbassery by our boosters to assume that Cohen can't make the next hire when he's the one with experience in the doing so. What you're suggesting is an illogical process but one that I have no doubt arrogant, ego centric boosters will take.

[dawgday166]

FWIW, I'm not defending Moorhead. He has sucked.

What I'm fighting against is dumbassery by our boosters to assume that Cohen can't make the next hire when he's the one with experience in the doing so. What you're suggesting is an illogical process but one that I have no doubt arrogant, ego centric boosters will take.

Where's this Cohen's experience? I believe he has made 3 hires so far: Cann, Moorhead, and Lemonis. If Moorhead is a dud, then Cohen will only be batting .333 if Lemonis works out. In his defense tho, what happened with Cann could've happened to practically any athletic dept.

2 of those are also baseball hires which is something Cohen should know about, not football hires.

[ShotgunDawg]

Where's this Cohen's experience? I believe he has made 3 hires so far: Cann, Moorhead, and Lemonis. If Moorhead is a dud, then Cohen will only be batting .333 if Lemonis works out. In his defense tho, what happened with Cann could've happened to practically any athletic dept.

2 of those are also baseball hires which is something Cohen should know about, not football hires.

He made a football hire. That's his experience.

If we need to make a football coaching change, if I'm Keenum, I bring Cohen in and ask him what he learned from the Moorhead hire and how he would apply that to the next hire.

His responses would determine if he got to make the next hire.

What I wouldn't want to hear is excuses for Moorhead or saying it's bad luck.

What I would want to hear is about the process and why Moorhead hasn't been successful

[HoopsDawg]

Let me point out another thing that does t get talked about much. At Penn State the commitment to the run with Barkley helped the offense tremendously it also opened up the pass. Franklin was an OC at Maryland and gameplaned with the offense staff at PSU, don?t think for a minute that slowmo didn?t get overruled when he wanted to have a game plan to pass or a play call to pass a few times a game. We have no one here that?s going to challenge the call against slowmo

Good point. Here's another one: Croom looked competent as an NFL OC with Barry Sanders. Saquon Barkley is a generational back. He can make anyone look good.

[Coursesuper]

FWIW, I'm not defending Moorhead. He has sucked.

What I'm fighting against is dumbassery by our boosters to assume that Cohen can't make the next hire when he's the one with experience in the doing so. What you're suggesting is an illogical process but one that I have no doubt arrogant, ego centric boosters will take.

Since we have an arrogant egocentric AD then this should go well then. Your AD was shoved down our throats by a bunch of self serving egocentric alumni to begin with and now we're stuck with him.

[Dawgfan77]

Letting this guy continue to run out program in the ground would be the most dumbassery thing. I?m gonna say this again. The offense won?t work here. And those clamoring for a change at QB it?s still going to be the same offense and same result.
I?m in the corner that 7 wins is our ceiling this year which is grossly underwhelming

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Really wish the Neal Brown obsession would leave this board. Dude lost to LIBERTY.

Right, and Meyer got blown out by Purdue, Fisher lost to BC last year, Mullen lost to South Alabama, and the Kang had several bad loses. Yeah Libery is worse than those, but Troy is also a lower level program too. Every coach will have bad loses at some point.

Brown is 27-7 in his last 3 seasons, with a 2-1 record vs the P5 (a 30-24 loss to CLEMSON as the only loss). He's 6-2 this year. Lets not forget the program was 5-7, 6-6, and 3-9 the 3 years before he got there; he had to build it to a 10 win team. He took a bad team, made them a 10-2 team, and knows how to get them to punch well above their weight. He's only 38 too.

I mean what else do you want that's obtainable? Any current HC we could get will have bad loses, and unproven OC's are a roll of the dice as we see now. Obviously Brown could be a dud, you never know. But he's got the best resume. Who do you want us to hire if Brown isn't the guy?

[HoopsDawg]

Really wish the Neal Brown obsession would leave this board. Dude lost to LIBERTY.

A simple take from a simple poster.