JoMo Showing Some Intensity on Dawgs Talk Tonight

[Coursesuper]

Croom went 8-5 with a lesser talented team than this. I know it wasnt in his first year but looking like Moorhead wont get a 8-5.

And no Im not rooting against him Im just pissed off

"I'm not rooting against him I'm just pissed", this is how a lot of us feel. We want the guy to succeed, but the blind faith that many here show left me and others a long time ago.

[smootness]

The disrespect for Kentucky on this board is outrageous.

You 'disrespected' them before that game as well. What changed? They beat us. That's it.

You said yourself this team had better players and coaches than the 2014 team. Now you ask who on this team would start on that one. What changed? We looked like complete crap 2 weeks in a row. That's it.

[Doggie_Style]

A win tomorrow would do wonders. I wonder if CJM reads these boards? I didn't watch but a minute of the show, something has him excessively agitated.

That 'Hot Seat' will do that to ya...

[Dawg61]

You 'disrespected' them before that game as well. What changed? They beat us. That's it.

You said yourself this team had better players and coaches than the 2014 team. Now you ask who on this team would start on that one. What changed? We looked like complete crap 2 weeks in a row. That's it.

Novel idea here Smoot but sometimes things change. Not one national media member picked the Eagles to win the super bowl either.

[Dawg61]

A win tomorrow would do wonders. I wonder if CJM reads these boards? I didn't watch but a minute of the show, something has him excessively agitated.

I do think Moorhead reads the boards and I really hope he reads the part about SPEEDING UP THE OFFENSE!!

[smootness]

Novel idea here Smoot but sometimes things change. Not one national media member picked the Eagles to win the super bowl either.

My point is, the talent on this team did not change in 2 weeks. What changed is the way we played. We played like crap because we were coached like crap. Once you play like crap, nobody looks as talented.

I'm just not sure why you're questioning people for holding the exact belief you held 2 weeks ago.

[StateDawg44]

My point is, the talent on this team did not change in 2 weeks. What changed is the way we played. We played like crap because we were coached like crap. Once you play like crap, nobody looks as talented.

I'm just not sure why you're questioning people for holding the exact belief you held 2 weeks ago.

You literally quoted him where he said "sometimes things change".

What is confusing about that? No wonder you are still beating the same drum and not able to turn the corner on what you are raising hell about.

[smootness]

You literally quoted him where he said "sometimes things change".

What is confusing about that? No wonder you are still beating the same drum and not able to turn the corner on what you are raising hell about.

But what changed? Was it the talent level? No.

So either Dawg61 is admitting he has no ability to judge talent, or the fact that we looked like utter crap two weeks in a row has changed his view of our talent.

My point is that bad coaching and bad results can make talented players look less talented. Therefore, my claim is that we are way more talented than we look. He seems to only judge talent based on wins and losses.

ETA: And my other issue with his posts is that right now he is essentially calling people out and wondering how they could possibly be so upset when it's clear we aren't as talented as a team like 2014...when two weeks ago he himself thought we were more talented than 2014. At least admit you were wrong and say, 'I thought the same thing, but at this point I no longer believe that's the case.' Don't come out attacking people for holding the same belief you did.

[StateDawg44]

You keep slipping in that he was talking about "talent" only.

61's original post you replied to in this thread doesn't have the word talent in it any where. Now you've turned the table and narrowed the scope to suit your opinion and argument. It's not what he said but fit's your narrative.

The overall program (coaches & players) isn't able to be measured in talent as easily as you make it sound. Individual players/squads can be. But that's not what was said or where your argument was rooted from.

[smootness]

You keep slipping in that he was talking about "talent" only.

61's original post you replied to in this thread doesn't have the word talent in it any where. Now you've turned the table and narrowed the scope to suit your opinion and argument. It's not what he said but fit's your narrative.

The overall program (coaches & players) isn't able to be measured in talent as easily as you make it sound. Individual players/squads can be. But that's not what was said or where your argument was rooted from.

Because that's what he's said elsewhere on this board. He started a thread to talk about it. He quit responding to me in that thread, so I brought it here.

[StateDawg44]

Yeah, you've really been on one. Might consider stepping away from the keyboard because as much as you've argued your points with people this week and tried to get your point across it's apparent it ain't working.

I guess every single person who doesn't share the same opinion as you is dead wrong and that's the only option. God forbid someone change their opinion.

[Dawg61]

But what changed? Was it the talent level? No.

So either Dawg61 is admitting he has no ability to judge talent, or the fact that we looked like utter crap two weeks in a row has changed his view of our talent.

My point is that bad coaching and bad results can make talented players look less talented. Therefore, my claim is that we are way more talented than we look. He seems to only judge talent based on wins and losses.

ETA: And my other issue with his posts is that right now he is essentially calling people out and wondering how they could possibly be so upset when it's clear we aren't as talented as a team like 2014...when two weeks ago he himself thought we were more talented than 2014. At least admit you were wrong and say, 'I thought the same thing, but at this point I no longer believe that's the case.' Don't come out attacking people for holding the same belief you did.

I'm not attacking anyone in particular really but I think our fanbase is acting like spoiled brats right now. As far as our talent goes I have been way off on two very crucial players and I am trying not to pile extra on them but posts like yours are making it impossible since you want to continue into the discussion of it.

[smootness]

Yeah, you've really been on one. Might consider stepping away from the keyboard because as much as you've argued your points with people this week and tried to get your point across it's apparent it ain't working.

I guess every single person who doesn't share the same opinion as you is dead wrong and that's the only option. God forbid someone change their opinion.

This is a message board. It's a place to state opinions. I've stated mine, and I try to rebut people who differ in their opinion, especially when they're not consistent.

I'm not unhinged and I'm not insane. I'm just stating my opinion that the last two weeks are entirely unacceptable and suggest bad things for our future.

You thing I'm dead wrong because I don't share the same opinion, and you haven't been able to get your point across with me...so should you step away? Of course not.

[smootness]

I'm not attacking anyone in particular really but I think our fanbase is acting like spoiled brats right now. As far as our talent goes I have been way off on two very crucial players and I am trying not to pile extra on them but posts like yours are making it impossible since you want to continue into the discussion of it.

But if I had to guess, I would say those players looked much better last year. Would I be right?

[RougeDawg]

The disrespect for Kentucky on this board is outrageous.

Hell if SlowMo abandons the passing game after 1st series, we blow the brakes off of Kentucky. If you tell me you were intoxicated watching that game, I?ll give you a pass. Florida and Kentucky are garbage and we lost to both. That?s why people are pissed. Any slapdick coach wins both of those games with the simplest of offenses. We don?t have F*cking Rhodes Scholars suiting up every weekend, so why treat them as such. SlowMo appears to be one of those really smart people, who you have to bring in from the rain. Common sense is as foreign as a trip to Mars for him.

[Dawg61]

But if I had to guess, I would say those players looked much better last year. Would I be right?

One of them did look miles better under a different coach but I don't believe it's the coaching more so than it's on the player and a very nasty injury that has resulted in the big time digression. I do not think Fitz beats Kentucky with Mullen still coaching as my opinion of the Wildcats has gone way up since before we played them and Kentucky has already beaten Florida and Mullen this year against a QB Franks that's playing way better than Fitz. They handled us pretty easily and they whipped USCe last week. I think they do the same to aTm tomorrow. We also don't know if Fitz/Mullen would beat Florida as we don't know who would be coaching Florida instead of him.

[StateDawg44]

This is a message board. It's a place to state opinions. I've stated mine, and I try to rebut people who differ in their opinion, especially when they're not consistent.

I'm not unhinged and I'm not insane. I'm just stating my opinion that the last two weeks are entirely unacceptable and suggest bad things for our future.

You thing I'm dead wrong because I don't share the same opinion, and you haven't been able to get your point across with me...so should you step away? Of course not.

Find where I said you were dead wrong any where. I may disagree on some, and I may have said your excessive beating a dead horse isn't working. Some of your points are valid and we get it. You've expressed that opinion. No doubt. But you can let it rest after about 2 days of it. We get it. You don't have to continue to shove your opinion down everyone's throats.

There is also a difference in expressing an opinion and discussing a topic civilly, and lashing out and trying to gain approval by arguing to the point that you are calling individuals out because of something that was said over 2 weeks ago.

Expressing it on a message board isn't gonna create the change you are seeking either and just comes across as whining after an entire work week of it. You're really taking what I said to the next level. Chill out. Unhinged? Insane? Where did that come from?

Keep going if you like though. I don't honestly expect you to stop now. Just my opinion and doesn't make one bit of difference in the grand scheme of things.


Edit: Also, I'm not saying you have to pump sunshine and talk about how things are great. Just don't post if all you want to say is negative and bash.

[smootness]

One of them did look miles better under a different coach but I don't believe it's the coaching more so than it's on the player and a very nasty injury that has resulted in the big time digression. I do not think Fitz beats Kentucky with Mullen still coaching as my opinion of the Wildcats has gone way up since before we played them and Kentucky has already beaten Florida and Mullen this year against a QB Franks that's playing way better than Fitz. They handled us pretty easily and they whipped USCe last week. I think they do the same to aTm tomorrow. We also don't know if Fitz/Mullen would beat Florida as we don't know who would be coaching Florida instead of him.

I'll just be honest, I don't believe you. I certainly don't know how you could hold that belief. We've seen Fitzgerald in Mullen's offense. Can you point me to any QB who has had a broken leg/ankle and come back an entirely different player? If it was a shoulder or arm injury, or even a knee, that's one thing. Not a break.

Also...why might Franks be playing way better than Fitz? I can't think of any potential reasons....

[smootness]

Find where I said you were dead wrong any where. I may disagree on some, and I may have said your excessive beating a dead horse isn't working. Some of your points are valid and we get it. You've expressed that opinion. No doubt. But you can let it rest after about 2 days of it. We get it. You don't have to continue to shove your opinion down everyone's throats.

There is also a difference in expressing an opinion and discussing a topic civilly, and lashing out and trying to gain approval by arguing to the point that you are calling individuals out because of something that was said over 2 weeks ago.

Expressing it on a message board isn't gonna create the change you are seeking either and just comes across as whining after an entire work week of it. You're really taking what I said to the next level. Chill out. Unhinged? Insane? Where did that come from?

Keep going if you like though. I don't honestly expect you to stop now. Just my opinion and doesn't make one bit of difference in the grand scheme of things.

If we all quit expressing our opinions after two days, this place wouldn't exist. You don't like the fact that I keep expressing it because you don't agree. If you agreed with my opinion, you would love me sharing it constantly.

I'm not just berating Dawg61 over something he said two weeks ago that he no longer agrees with. I'm trying to make a point about how he is judging talent, and his comment from two weeks ago matters in making that point. Where have I lashed out? Where have I been uncivil?

You said I might consider stepping away from the keyboard; usually people say that when they think the person has become deranged. Perhaps you weren't trying to say that, and if so, I'm sorry I mischaracterized your point.

Again, if you don't like people expressing opinions you disagree with over and over, a message board probably isn't the place for you. I don't say that to be ugly, but seriously...what are we here for if not that? I'm not whining. I just disagree and am arguing with people who feel differently. I'm ok with that and I think most of them are as well. I don't dislike anyone on this board or target anyone or lash out or attack. I'm just disagreeing.

[StateDawg44]

If we all quit expressing our opinions after two days, this place wouldn't exist. You don't like the fact that I keep expressing it because you don't agree. If you agreed with my opinion, you would love me sharing it constantly.

I'm not just berating Dawg61 over something he said two weeks ago that he no longer agrees with. I'm trying to make a point about how he is judging talent, and his comment from two weeks ago matters in making that point. Where have I lashed out? Where have I been uncivil?

You said I might consider stepping away from the keyboard; usually people say that when they think the person has become deranged. Perhaps you weren't trying to say that, and if so, I'm sorry I mischaracterized your point.

Again, if you don't like people expressing opinions you disagree with over and over, a message board probably isn't the place for you. I don't say that to be ugly, but seriously...what are we here for if not that? I'm not whining. I just disagree and am arguing with people who feel differently. I'm ok with that and I think most of them are as well. I don't dislike anyone on this board or target anyone or lash out or attack. I'm just disagreeing.

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