Braves

[War Machine Dawg]

I didn't say sit cj for good. Cj murders lhp, but is very pedestrian against rhp. Give gosselin a shot against a rhp. If he hits well, give him a start in rf with jhey in cf. I just wanna see this kid get a shot.

Lastella hit .322 with .743 ops at aa
Gosselin hit .344 with .866 ops at aaa

Lastella has shown his game translates. Gosselin hasn't got a chance.

You telling me that in this train wreck of an offense we can't take a chance on gosselin with those stats?

If I could make out the lineup card tomorrow, this is what I'd do:

Lastella (2b)
Ff (1b)
Jup (lf)
Jhey (rf)
Gattis (c)
Bonafacio (cf)
Gosselin (3b)
Simmons/Pena*(ss)

*good chance Simmons is back tomorrow

And aGAIN I ask, who do you sit to play Gosselin? CJ? He's been a very good hitter since coming to Atlanta and is scorching the last month. LaStella is locked in at 2B. Gosselin can't play SS. And we traded for Bonifacio because we think he's better than anyone else on our bench currently. Gosselin has also never played OF to my knowledge, so benching BJ is out. You can hate on Fredi all you want, but Gosselin just doesn't have a position to play right now.

[War Machine Dawg]

I laughed. Well done.

[Dawg61]

People have been saying this about the braves lineup since last year. But hey, the division is there's to lose! Amiright?

Also, bj upton has been trending this direction for several years. He's escalated his deterioration (especially with his defensive metrics going downhill), but the ball was rolling long before he was a brave.

Yea it's just the Nats media that's annoying.** Nats record vs the Braves the last 2 years is 10-22. That's a .313 winning %. 2-11 vs the Cards. 3-6 vs Dodgers. 4-7 vs the Pirates. Enjoy winning a bad NL East because it doesn't look like you'll be winning much more than that this year.

[dawgs]

Yea it's just the Nats media that's annoying.** Nats record vs the Braves the last 2 years is 10-22. That's a .313 winning %. 2-11 vs the Cards. 3-6 vs Dodgers. 4-7 vs the Pirates. Enjoy winning a bad NL East because it doesn't look like you'll be winning much more than that this year.

Nats haven't had a real hot run yet. It'd be nice to get hot in September and be one of those teams that use that momentum to run thru the playoffs. Often it's not necessarily the best team over the course of the season, it's the team that gets hot in September/October, just make sure you get that far still in position to make noise when you get hot.

[msstate7]

And aGAIN I ask, who do you sit to play Gosselin? CJ? He's been a very good hitter since coming to Atlanta and is scorching the last month. LaStella is locked in at 2B. Gosselin can't play SS. And we traded for Bonifacio because we think he's better than anyone else on our bench currently. Gosselin has also never played OF to my knowledge, so benching BJ is out. You can hate on Fredi all you want, but Gosselin just doesn't have a position to play right now.

Cj in last 10 games is hitting .200 (8-40) with 15 k's during this stretch. I think we'll survive if he doesn't start every game. Again cj murders lhp, but can't hit rhp this year. Give gosselin some of those AB's against rhp's.

I'm not as sold on cj as you are. While his avg (.271) is good his obp (.295) is terrible. In 443 ab's, cj has walked 14 times! (2 were intentional), struck out 120 times, and grounded into team leading 17 double plays. Against lhp, cj is hitting .432. Against rhp, he's hitting .232. When you factor in his complete lack of walks, he's a platoon player plain and simple. This isn't an ideal platoon bc gosselin is rh'ed too. Something has to be changed though.

Bj upton bb/k rate = 27%
Cj bb/k rate = 12%

Bj's k rate = 30.8%
Cj's k rate = 26%

So cj is striking out at 26% and grounding into the team leading amount of double plays. Cj is a rally killer

[Dawg61]

Nats haven't had a real hot run yet. It'd be nice to get hot in September and be one of those teams that use that momentum to run thru the playoffs. Often it's not necessarily the best team over the course of the season, it's the team that gets hot in September/October, just make sure you get that far still in position to make noise when you get hot.

Yea I know I'm a Giants fan. Nationals have made the playoffs once. One time.

[dawgs]

Yea I know I'm a Giants fan. Nationals have made the playoffs once. One time.

The nats are 1 for 2 in seasons they were expected to be worthwhile. Like in a few years when the cubs and Astros have all their kids up with a year or 2 of experience, what they did in 2014 won't matter when determining whether the cubs or Astros teams in 2018 are legitimate threats or not. Congrats on pointing out that essentially an expansion team sucked for the first 6 years of their existence.

[Dawg61]

The nats are 1 for 2 in seasons they were expected to be worthwhile. Like in a few years when the cubs and Astros have all their kids up with a year or 2 of experience, what they did in 2014 won't matter when determining whether the cubs or Astros teams in 2018 are legitimate threats or not. Congrats on pointing out that essentially an expansion team sucked for the first 6 years of their existence.

Arizona Diamondbacks won a World Series in 2001. Their franchise started in 1998. Miami Marlins started in 1993. They've won two World Series.

[msstate7]

Arizona Diamondbacks won a World Series in 2001. Their franchise started in 1998. Miami Marlins started in 1993. They've won two World Series.

And they were actual "expansion" teams. Last I checked, the Nats were the expos previously

[War Machine Dawg]

Cj in last 10 games is hitting .200 (8-40) with 15 k's during this stretch. I think we'll survive if he doesn't start every game. Again cj murders lhp, but can't hit rhp this year. Give gosselin some of those AB's against rhp's.

I'm not as sold on cj as you are. While his avg (.271) is good his obp (.295) is terrible. In 443 ab's, cj has walked 14 times! (2 were intentional), struck out 120 times, and grounded into team leading 17 double plays. Against lhp, cj is hitting .432. Against rhp, he's hitting .232. When you factor in his complete lack of walks, he's a platoon player plain and simple. This isn't an ideal platoon bc gosselin is rh'ed too. Something has to be changed though.

Bj upton bb/k rate = 27%
Cj bb/k rate = 12%

Bj's k rate = 30.8%
Cj's k rate = 26%

So cj is striking out at 26% and grounding into the team leading amount of double plays. Cj is a rally killer

The RH/LH split for CJ is misleading and you know it. I actually looked it up at baseball reference last night. A) CJ is hitting .241, not .232, against righties. (As of this morning, .238) B) CJ has 380 PAs vs RHP and only 82 PAs vs LHP. Talk about a disproportionate number. C) 10 games, oh my!!! He's really cold**** That's not even 1/10 of a season stretch you're bitching about.

Seriously, you really need to calm down and stop watching every night. You're wayyyy too emotional about this right now. Baseball is a LONG damn season. Every player not named Miggy Cabrera or Trout generally goes through ups and downs. And Miggy has even had some slumps this season. He's in the middle of one right now, actually. (I'd know, he's one of the keepers on my fantasy team) Take a break, kick your dog, do something - anything - else. Your constant overreaction has gotten old.

[dawgs]

Arizona Diamondbacks won a World Series in 2001. Their franchise started in 1998. Miami Marlins started in 1993. They've won two World Series.

ridiculous free agent signings -> WS -> fire sale was a reliable method for winning because 30something year old players could be relied on to produce thru the life of the contract. However in the post-steroid era, you can't build a team solely thru free agency anymore because 30something year old players are far more unreliable without steroids. Also, the nats are trying to build a franchise in the mold of the cardinals, Red Sox, and, yes, the braves, with a consistently strong farm system built for long term winning instead of putting all their eggs into a 2-3 year window before having to completely rebuild. Also, the marlins and dbacks had expansion drafts. The nats didn't have such luxury and had to play with the hand the expos dealt them. Also, playing in an outdated non-baseball stadium (RFK) for the 1st 3 seasons pretty much kept the franchise from ever hoping to attract winning talent thru free agency (yeah they had soriano for a year, but 1 player ain't making a winner and was there just to have a player to market around).

There's really nothing more annoying than fans being dismissive of a team/program/franchise because they haven't won before or recently. Y'all seriously sound like the same people y'all bitch about when they dismiss msu because we haven't gone to BCS bowls or won 10+ games.

[msstate7]

The RH/LH split for CJ is misleading and you know it. I actually looked it up at baseball reference last night. A) CJ is hitting .241, not .232, against righties. (As of this morning, .238) B) CJ has 380 PAs vs RHP and only 82 PAs vs LHP. Talk about a disproportionate number. C) 10 games, oh my!!! He's really cold**** That's not even 1/10 of a season stretch you're bitching about.

Seriously, you really need to calm down and stop watching every night. You're wayyyy too emotional about this right now. Baseball is a LONG damn season. Every player not named Miggy Cabrera or Trout generally goes through ups and downs. And Miggy has even had some slumps this season. He's in the middle of one right now, actually. (I'd know, he's one of the keepers on my fantasy team) Take a break, kick your dog, do something - anything - else. Your constant overreaction has gotten old.

So is his k rate that is very close to bj misleading? How bout his .295 obp? Cj's obp % is .017 better than bj's (.278). How come bj is just awful, but cj is above reproach? Bj's offensive war is -0.9. Cj's is -1.1

http://m.bbref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXjX..._value_batting

[Dawg61]

There's really nothing more annoying than fans being dismissive of a team/program/franchise because they haven't won before or recently. Y'all seriously sound like the same people y'all bitch about when they dismiss msu because we haven't gone to BCS bowls or won 10+ games.

You don't see me hating on any of the other 29 teams in MLB. Ask yourself why that is.

[dawgs]

You don't see me hating on any of the other 29 teams in MLB. Ask yourself why that is.

Hating a local color commentator is a pretty petty and ridiculous reason to project your hate on a whole team. I've asked you many many times to give me any quotes from the players, or even the front office that are clearly over the top and you haven't. And saying you still feel like your the better team after you lost isn't being cocky, it's saying you know you can play better and you need to do it.

[Dawg61]

You aren't helping. It isn't just FP Santangelo. I guess it started right around the time "Natitude" was unleashed on the world. Ever since then your fan base thinks they became the Yankees. Yankees fans aren't as loud and cocky as Nats fans. That's saying something.

[KB21]

So is his k rate that is very close to bj misleading? How bout his .295 obp? Cj's obp % is .017 better than bj's (.278). How come bj is just awful, but cj is above reproach? Bj's offensive war is -0.9. Cj's is -1.1

http://m.bbref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXjX..._value_batting

CJ is also an insanely poor defender at third base. My hope is that Kyle Kubitza comes to spring training next year and knocks him out of a job.

[dawgs]

You aren't helping. It isn't just FP Santangelo. I guess it started right around the time "Natitude" was unleashed on the world. Ever since then your fan base thinks they became the Yankees. Yankees fans aren't as loud and cocky as Nats fans. That's saying something.

Examples? I have never said the nats would dominate the nl east or that the division was their's to lose like the braves fans. I've pointed out the braves holes and said the nats are more than capable of winning the division and it not being a letdown for the braves because the nats have just as much if not more talent and probably less holes. Of that's being loud and arrogant, then you haven't experienced loud and arrogant.

Also, I have seen any nats fans anywhere being overly loud and arrogant. At least no more so than EVERY OTHER FANBASE, especially the pseudo braves contingent in the south that's never actually been to a braves game. Braves fans are like Bama fans. They are loud and obnoxious and likely to have never stepped on campus.

And giants fans are as obnoxious as any. How many giants/dodgers fan fights are we gonna hear about? I was in SF for the 2012 WS and hung out around the stadium before the games and watched the games in bars. I was there.

The #natitude thing was a marketing gimmick and no nats fan thought it was clever until we saw how much it trolled every other fanbase. Y'all took it hook, line, and sinker and turned that dumb phrase into so much more than it ever would've been otherwise. Blame yourselves there.

[trob115]

IMO, bonifcacio is a true leadoff guy , not LaStella. I love having LaStella in the 2 spot and having a true contact/slap hitter at the top. That brings a whole different dimension to the lineup.

Bonifcacio Cf
LaStella 2B
Freeman 1B
JUP Lf
Heyward Rf
Gattis C
Johnson/gosslin 3b
Simmons SS

[Dawg61]

I am glad that you stick up for your team. Hopefully my Giants can get their heads outta their asses here real soon and we can meet you in the playoffs. Not looking good though. I think the two wild cards are coming out of the central this year.

[msstate7]

War... You are exactly right about me needing to quit watching daily though. I need the 12 steps I think. I'm entirely too passionate over my braves. Haha