Braves

[msstate7]

Gattis needs to be shut down ASAP. Bethancourt gives us a better chance to win bc neither can hit, but Christian is a great catcher.

Fredi, wtf?!!!! Lastella goes down so you put in Pena?!!! Why did we call up gosselin? Pena sub in to ss and moving bonafacio to 2b results in 2 blown dps resulting in 3 runs. Nice job, coach

Doumit needs to be cut ASAP. He's dead weight.

Why did we send Shreve down?

I'm sick...

/rant

[trob115]

#firefredi

[msstate7]

#firefredi

I'm fine with this.

I'm going to atlanta this Saturday with my son to witness the a's rape us in person. Can't even get excited...

[cbrunt29]

It's like he keeps giving these guys chance after chance and they continue to suck ass but he puts them in there anyway. Pena, Gattis, Doumit, ect. This next week is gonna absolutely kill us. Wild Card is our only shot at playoffs and even that is looking slim.

[msstate7]

It's like he keeps giving these guys chance after chance and they continue to suck ass but he puts them in there anyway. Pena, Gattis, Doumit, ect. This next week is gonna absolutely kill us. Wild Card is our only shot at playoffs and even that is looking slim.

After tonight we'll be 6-14 since gattis came back. It's certainly not all gattis' fault, but he's a big part of it IMO

[msstate7]

Maybe that double will get gattis going

[KB21]

Shutting Gattis down is a knee jerk reaction right now. This guy is a big time hitter who is in a slump right now since coming off his back injury. He will get himself righted and be the dangerous hitter he has been to this point.

This team is simply not a very good hitting team right now. They are too reliant upon the home run to score runs, and they are not getting on base. BJ Upton is a sunk cost for this team right now, and they keep hitting him at the top of the order.

This is just not a very good team right now, and they need to shake things up. My hope is that a losing season gets Fredi dismissed if it comes to it, but I somehow doubt that happens. Since he has been with the Braves, Fredi has won more games than any other manager in the league, and he was just voted by his peers as the 3rd best manager in the NL. I think that is bunk, but the league has a higher opinion of him than I do.

The problem is this. If you replace Fredi, the pool you have to choose from are likely managers who will make the same mistakes he makes.

Simply put, the Braves have been very unlucky in many ways, with BJ Upton going from being a 3 WAR player to a negative WAR player, and their best hitter going out with a back injury and getting rushed back.

[msstate7]

Shutting Gattis down is a knee jerk reaction right now. This guy is a big time hitter who is in a slump right now since coming off his back injury. He will get himself righted and be the dangerous hitter he has been to this point.

This team is simply not a very good hitting team right now. They are too reliant upon the home run to score runs, and they are not getting on base. BJ Upton is a sunk cost for this team right now, and they keep hitting him at the top of the order.

This is just not a very good team right now, and they need to shake things up. My hope is that a losing season gets Fredi dismissed if it comes to it, but I somehow doubt that happens. Since he has been with the Braves, Fredi has won more games than any other manager in the league, and he was just voted by his peers as the 3rd best manager in the NL. I think that is bunk, but the league has a higher opinion of him than I do.

The problem is this. If you replace Fredi, the pool you have to choose from are likely managers who will make the same mistakes he makes.

Simply put, the Braves have been very unlucky in many ways, with BJ Upton going from being a 3 WAR player to a negative WAR player, and their best hitter going out with a back injury and getting rushed back.

I doubt seriously fredi gets fired, but walker is on the clock IMO. I'm perfectly fine with him being axed

[War Machine Dawg]

Shutting Gattis down is a knee jerk reaction right now. This guy is a big time hitter who is in a slump right now since coming off his back injury. He will get himself righted and be the dangerous hitter he has been to this point.

This team is simply not a very good hitting team right now. They are too reliant upon the home run to score runs, and they are not getting on base. BJ Upton is a sunk cost for this team right now, and they keep hitting him at the top of the order.

This is just not a very good team right now, and they need to shake things up. My hope is that a losing season gets Fredi dismissed if it comes to it, but I somehow doubt that happens. Since he has been with the Braves, Fredi has won more games than any other manager in the league, and he was just voted by his peers as the 3rd best manager in the NL. I think that is bunk, but the league has a higher opinion of him than I do.

The problem is this. If you replace Fredi, the pool you have to choose from are likely managers who will make the same mistakes he makes.

Simply put, the Braves have been very unlucky in many ways, with BJ Upton going from being a 3 WAR player to a negative WAR player, and their best hitter going out with a back injury and getting rushed back.

Finally, someone with some sense in his head. Gattis has proven he can hit. He's in a slump. And acting like he sucks on D is insane. He may not be as good as Bethancourt on D, but there are maybe 3 catchers in baseball on Bethancourt's level defensively. Considering how badly this team needs offense, you let Gattis play his way out of it like we did with FF.

BJ is done and we can't find anyone to take him off our hands. Maybe we can make a deal this winter. You also gotta remember that we lost our top 2 pitchers before the season ever started and Minor hasn't been himself this year. Honestly, it's a miracle we're even in the playoff race.

Bottom line, Fredi is a good manager. Not great, but not awful. He's trying to make chicken salad from chicken shit. So far as I'm concerned, the guy who needs the ax doesn't wear a uniform and goes by the name Frank Wren. He's a terrible GM.

[War Machine Dawg]

I doubt seriously fredi gets fired, but walker is on the clock IMO. I'm perfectly fine with him being axed

I've got no problem with Walker. He's been a damn good hitting coach everywhere he's been. There's no one on the planet that can fix Uggla or BJ, so I don't put those guys on him. FF, J-Up, Chris Johnson, LaStella, and Gattis are all pretty solid hitters. J-Hey is streaky and always has been. Andrelton is improving. Walker is trying to get him to make more contact and hit for more average but less power.

[msstate7]

Gattis is a great hitter, but gattis has a screwed up back. Hopefully he starts hitting again, but right now we have the same bat as bethancourt without the tremendous defense.

I love gattis, but gattis isn't right

[KB21]

Finally, someone with some sense in his head. Gattis has proven he can hit. He's in a slump. And acting like he sucks on D is insane. He may not be as good as Bethancourt on D, but there are maybe 3 catchers in baseball on Bethancourt's level defensively. Considering how badly this team needs offense, you let Gattis play his way out of it like we did with FF.

BJ is done and we can't find anyone to take him off our hands. Maybe we can make a deal this winter. You also gotta remember that we lost our top 2 pitchers before the season ever started and Minor hasn't been himself this year. Honestly, it's a miracle we're even in the playoff race.

Bottom line, Fredi is a good manager. Not great, but not awful. He's trying to make chicken salad from chicken shit. So far as I'm concerned, the guy who needs the ax doesn't wear a uniform and goes by the name Frank Wren. He's a terrible GM.

Evan Gattis is currently sitting at 5.2 DRS on the year. He's 17th among catchers in all baseball in DRS when you put the innings limit at 450 innings. His 2.6 WAR ties him for 6th in MLB among catchers with Yadier Molina. This is not the guy you try to replace in the line up right now.

[dawgs]

Shutting Gattis down is a knee jerk reaction right now. This guy is a big time hitter who is in a slump right now since coming off his back injury. He will get himself righted and be the dangerous hitter he has been to this point.

This team is simply not a very good hitting team right now. They are too reliant upon the home run to score runs, and they are not getting on base. BJ Upton is a sunk cost for this team right now, and they keep hitting him at the top of the order.

This is just not a very good team right now, and they need to shake things up. My hope is that a losing season gets Fredi dismissed if it comes to it, but I somehow doubt that happens. Since he has been with the Braves, Fredi has won more games than any other manager in the league, and he was just voted by his peers as the 3rd best manager in the NL. I think that is bunk, but the league has a higher opinion of him than I do.

The problem is this. If you replace Fredi, the pool you have to choose from are likely managers who will make the same mistakes he makes.

Simply put, the Braves have been very unlucky in many ways, with BJ Upton going from being a 3 WAR player to a negative WAR player, and their best hitter going out with a back injury and getting rushed back.

People have been saying this about the braves lineup since last year. But hey, the division is there's to lose! Amiright?

Also, bj upton has been trending this direction for several years. He's escalated his deterioration (especially with his defensive metrics going downhill), but the ball was rolling long before he was a brave.

[msstate7]

Evan Gattis is currently sitting at 5.2 DRS on the year. He's 17th among catchers in all baseball in DRS when you put the innings limit at 450 innings. His 2.6 WAR ties him for 6th in MLB among catchers with Yadier Molina. This is not the guy you try to replace in the line up right now.

What's his WAR pre- and post-injury?

[msstate7]

Finally, someone with some sense in his head. Gattis has proven he can hit. He's in a slump. And acting like he sucks on D is insane. He may not be as good as Bethancourt on D, but there are maybe 3 catchers in baseball on Bethancourt's level defensively. Considering how badly this team needs offense, you let Gattis play his way out of it like we did with FF.

BJ is done and we can't find anyone to take him off our hands. Maybe we can make a deal this winter. You also gotta remember that we lost our top 2 pitchers before the season ever started and Minor hasn't been himself this year. Honestly, it's a miracle we're even in the playoff race.

Bottom line, Fredi is a good manager. Not great, but not awful. He's trying to make chicken salad from chicken shit. So far as I'm concerned, the guy who needs the ax doesn't wear a uniform and goes by the name Frank Wren. He's a terrible GM.

Offense is the problem right? Then why hasn't fredi given gosselin playing time? Goss was hitting around .340 at aaa. Fredi is way too loyal to players that aren't producing. What would it hurt to sit cj one night and play gosselin? Why not put gosselin at 2b tonight when lastella got taken out?

Oh and on the 6-14 record since gattis returned, 3 of the wins were when laird started.

[KB21]

Offense is the problem right? Then why hasn't fredi given gosselin playing time? Goss was hitting around .340 at aaa. Fredi is way too loyal to players that aren't producing. What would it hurt to sit cj one night and play gosselin? Why not put gosselin at 2b tonight when lastella got taken out?

Oh and on the 6-14 record since gattis returned, 3 of the wins were when laird started.

This is like trying to correlate the run the Braves had a month ago when they won 10 in a row to BJ Upton leading off. I said then that no decision should be made based on someone being on a hot streak or on a cold streak. You make decisions on players based on what they are on a consistent basis. I told you then that BJ would have to go cold for a long time before Fredi moves him out of that lead off spot. Over his last 28 days, BJ has a .279 OBP, which is in line with what he has been since he has been in Atlanta. What we have here is a guy who has never been a good on base guy but at least he had some power previously. IMO, he's lost his ability to hit a good fastball. I think he has had a loss in talent, and what we have been getting from him on a consistent basis is unfortunately what he is. I've said ever since he has been brought up, Tommy La Stella should be leading off for this team. He's the best on this team at getting on base. Either he or Jason Heyward need to be leading off.

[War Machine Dawg]

Offense is the problem right? Then why hasn't fredi given gosselin playing time? Goss was hitting around .340 at aaa. Fredi is way too loyal to players that aren't producing. What would it hurt to sit cj one night and play gosselin? Why not put gosselin at 2b tonight when lastella got taken out?

Oh and on the 6-14 record since gattis returned, 3 of the wins were when laird started.

You are wayyyy overreacting, boss. Get a grip. Sit CJ? Are you insane? In the last 30 days, he's hitting .286, 5 HR, 20 RBI, 11 R, and an .821 OPS. You don't take that guy out of the lineup.

As for tonight, I understand your frustration about not putting in Gosselin. But Pena is better defensively. It would've been nice to see Gosselin get a shot, but he hasn't really done much since his call-up. I don't have a big problem going to Pena there.

[msstate7]

People have been saying this about the braves lineup since last year. But hey, the division is there's to lose! Amiright?

Also, bj upton has been trending this direction for several years. He's escalated his deterioration (especially with his defensive metrics going downhill), but the ball was rolling long before he was a brave.

If minor comes out and bombs again tomorrow, congrats you guys win the east. I'm not saying we have to win tomorrow, but minor has to turn it around now for us to stay in this.

[msstate7]

You are wayyyy overreacting, boss. Get a grip. Sit CJ? Are you insane? In the last 30 days, he's hitting .286, 5 HR, 20 RBI, 11 R, and an .821 OPS. You don't take that guy out of the lineup.

As for tonight, I understand your frustration about not putting in Gosselin. But Pena is better defensively. It would've been nice to see Gosselin get a shot, but he hasn't really done much since his call-up. I don't have a big problem going to Pena there.

I didn't say sit cj for good. Cj murders lhp, but is very pedestrian against rhp. Give gosselin a shot against a rhp. If he hits well, give him a start in rf with jhey in cf. I just wanna see this kid get a shot.

Lastella hit .322 with .743 ops at aa
Gosselin hit .344 with .866 ops at aaa

Lastella has shown his game translates. Gosselin hasn't got a chance.

You telling me that in this train wreck of an offense we can't take a chance on gosselin with those stats?

If I could make out the lineup card tomorrow, this is what I'd do:

Lastella (2b)
Ff (1b)
Jup (lf)
Jhey (rf)
Gattis (c)
Bonafacio (cf)
Gosselin (3b)
Simmons/Pena*(ss)

*good chance Simmons is back tomorrow

[CadaverDawg]