MSU is STILL Not Serious About Football

[Todd4State]

You really cannot process how someone could be bad as the HC of an entire program but very good when focused only on coaching defense?

And Charles Manson was phenomenal as a cult leader. One of the best ever.

I can't process that coach being hired back for a coordinator position at the school that fired him. Especially given the fact that he completely lost the team and is part of the reason for the situation we are in now.

Sure, there are coaches that failed as head coaches and succeeded at coordinator. Not many for the school that fired them if I had to guess.

[Coach34]

Not hard for me, he had NO qualifications to be an SEC DC. At least MacIntyre and Rhoads helped bring some adult supervision to the defensive situation this past season.

Well you can call Nick Saban a dumbass if you want- but Saban recommended him

[MBDawg601]

If this past season wasn't a complete failure, why is fan morale at an all-time low, with a near-unanimous expectation (even among his few remaining supporters) that he'll be fired by November?

It's because everyone knows that our schedule was way softer than we thought it would be, and we should have gone 7-5 or 8-4, and that we would have with a decent coach.

I went to 3 games last season and I can tell you that fan morale is not at an all time low. The stadium was rocking. We lost steam at the end of the season, but the Tennessee game atmosphere was one of the best I have been to in quite some time, even if they did bring 30k Tennessee fans to Starkville.

I am not as negative as some, we have never been consistently good. We have glimpses of what we could be, followed by 3-4 years of disappointment. It just so happens to be worse this time around, because OM is coming out of their most historic run ever.

Lebby is a first time HC, making first time HC mistakes. I do not think anyone expected him to come in and call a perfect game or make veteran HC decisions. This is what we signed up for, in hopes of him learning on the fly. In my opinion, he is much improved and made some staffing changes this off season... We will see if it works. If it doesn't, we will move on to our next first time HC. The doom and gloom, or sky is falling shit doesn't help anything. Our fans always find something to bitch about and nothing to be positive about.

[R2Dawg]

I went to 3 games last season and I can tell you that fan morale is not at an all time low. The stadium was rocking. We lost steam at the end of the season, but the Tennessee game atmosphere was one of the best I have been to in quite some time, even if they did bring 30k Tennessee fans to Starkville.

I am not as negative as some, we have never been consistently good. We have glimpses of what we could be, followed by 3-4 years of disappointment. It just so happens to be worse this time around, because OM is coming out of their most historic run ever.

Lebby is a first time HC, making first time HC mistakes. I do not think anyone expected him to come in and call a perfect game or make veteran HC decisions. This is what we signed up for, in hopes of him learning on the fly. In my opinion, he is much improved and made some staffing changes this off season... We will see if it works. If it doesn't, we will move on to our next first time HC. The doom and gloom, or sky is falling shit doesn't help anything. Our fans always find something to bitch about and nothing to be positive about.

I was at almost every game (did not go to Eggbowl). Az St was awesome. Tenn was great till end. TX was great till end. UGA was OK till game started. The fans are ready to get on board we just need to do something positive.

[R2Dawg]

I can't process that coach being hired back for a coordinator position at the school that fired him. Especially given the fact that he completely lost the team and is part of the reason for the situation we are in now.

Sure, there are coaches that failed as head coaches and succeeded at coordinator. Not many for the school that fired them if I had to guess.

Hope CZA succeeds but this is very odd to say the least. He is familiar with MSU and can hit the ground running in a year where Lebby knows he has to on D so I get that.

[Quaoarsking]

I went to 3 games last season and I can tell you that fan morale is not at an all time low. The stadium was rocking. We lost steam at the end of the season, but the Tennessee game atmosphere was one of the best I have been to in quite some time, even if they did bring 30k Tennessee fans to Starkville.

Well ... yeah. Fan morale was as good as it's been since Dak was here late in the 4th quarter against Tennessee.

It was what came after that (Lebby blowing games, then ending on 4 straight blowouts) that crashed the morale.

[Quaoarsking]

I was at almost every game (did not go to Eggbowl). Az St was awesome. Tenn was great till end. TX was great till end. UGA was OK till game started. The fans are ready to get on board we just need to do something positive.

I agree with this. If Lebby starts out 4-0 this fall, DWS will be rocking for Alabama. We're all desperate to buy in.

[Todd4State]

Hope CZA succeeds but this is very odd to say the least. He is familiar with MSU and can hit the ground running in a year where Lebby knows he has to on D so I get that.

The vibe feels a lot like Felker's last year.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Hope CZA succeeds but this is very odd to say the least. He is familiar with MSU and can hit the ground running in a year where Lebby knows he has to on D so I get that.

It's odd but so is college football. Lebby knows he can leave the defense to Arnett and worry about the offense, specifically the line, and ST. Arnett works well with that type of defensive autonomy, see Mike Leach.

The defense will be improved. It'll be up to Lebby to have an inproved OL to let his generational QB develop in the offense. That's what his job will hinge on. The line isn't fixed and we're looking for a new coach the Saturday after Thanksgiving.

[R2Dawg]

The vibe feels a lot like Felker's last year.

Ouch, I was a senior that year but if we follow that up with a Jackie type hire; I'm good with that.

Jackie's first year was just what the doctor ordered.

[Quaoarsking]

Ouch, I was a senior that year but if we follow that up with a Jackie type hire; I'm good with that.

Jackie's first year was just what the doctor ordered.

The closest parallel to Jackie is ... J**** F*****?

[Todd4State]

Ouch, I was a senior that year but if we follow that up with a Jackie type hire; I'm good with that.

Jackie's first year was just what the doctor ordered.

We definitely need a Sherrill type hire. Lebby isn't it. He's just not. I hope I'm wrong. I just don't think he can coach and manage a roster. He's too aggressive and has a poor feel for in game decisions and context of the situation.

Dan Mullen isn't it either.

[smootness]

I can't process that coach being hired back for a coordinator position at the school that fired him. Especially given the fact that he completely lost the team and is part of the reason for the situation we are in now.

Sure, there are coaches that failed as head coaches and succeeded at coordinator. Not many for the school that fired them if I had to guess.

What does it matter that he was fired here as HC?

Not hiring him as DC simply because he was fired here as HC would be exactly the kind of move you are against here. Hiring him anyway because he is a good DC is actually the opposite of the kind of lazy MSU move you claim it to be.