John Cohen, it's time for you to do your job

[RougeDawg]

Care to share why Bama, the most successful program in the last decade, has vacancies they need to fill? Wouldn't they have locked up their "top talent"? Otherwise, they wouldn't be hiring correct?

Your rention plan theory sounds great, but it isn't practical. Ambition drives people, and it doesn't follow the company plan.

Your ability to logically reason is lacking. Let?s compare Mississippi state to other middle tier programs and Bama to Clemson and other too 5 programs.

Your logic is comparing apples to lava rocks. Get back to me when You correct f the mindset.

[Bothrops]

We could have a wet paper bag coaching DL and be great.

We had a wet paper bag in the shape of a Peter. It didn't do what it was supposed to.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

This is the same guy that tried to save money on a chartered flight and cost us two days of Bowl prep because the cheap airline didn?t have a plane ready ....

[RougeDawg]

He's loyal to MSU. Book it.

As they say. Actions speak louder than words. Inactions count as actions.

[I seen it dawg]

A question...give some reasons why Baker shouldn't leave State?

[dawgday166]

I guess that's why Sarkisian is retuning right? Stop regurgitating nonsense.

Sarkisian has very few options. I don't see a line of ADs or NFL GMs waiting to offer him OC positions.

ETA: I think Saban also may have somewhat limited options here (self imposed). His inherent offensive philosophy clashes with modern day OCs and he's struggling some to find that balance. He's trying to make the transition and he finding it difficult.

[CadaverDawg]

A question...give some reasons why Baker shouldn't leave State?

Definitely not a big ole pay check that we could be paying him. So absolutely nothing. Yes, Bama is great, but these guys wouldn't go to Bama for a pay cut....If we want to make another step, we have to either use/find the money to pay the great coaches we get, OR admit that 7-8 wins with an occasional 9 is the absolute ceiling going forward and lower any and all expectations. It's pretty simple.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

He's from Tuscaloosa and grew up a Bama football fan.

This is the dumbest take I've ever seen from you SD. John Cohen grew up a Bama fan, went to college here, played baseball here, left a solid Kentucky job to be our HC, and pushed hard to be our AD, and your take is that he's INTENTIONALLY HARMING MSU SPORTS TO HELP BAMA? Really? this is akin to saying Fitz intentionally threw the '17 UGA game because he grew up in Georgia. Your logic is so so so dumb. Literally it makes less sense than accusing Johnson of intentionally sucking to bring us down, yet nobody says that.

we have 4 options all far more plausible than what you suggest: 1) Boosters just won't contribute enough to have competitive salaries, 2) Moorhead is a sinking ship and people want to leave rather than be tied to him, 3) All these coaches left for better jobs and the high number leaving is just a coincidence, and 4) Cohen is simply incompetent. All FAR more reasonable than "The guy who played and coached and is the current AD at State is trying to help Bama!"

[LC Dawg]

Cohen just signed Baker to a contract extension. Unless he paid him way more than he was worth I don't know what else he could have done. I don't know the salaries of every DL coach in the league but I would guess Bama could easily give every one of them a raise. Including Orgeron.

[Gutter Cobreh]

Not sure what business you are in but I do know you aren?t successful in it from your response.

Successful companies have retention plans and make sure their top talent doesn?t leave. Bottom line. Do more reading and searchihg and lest posting please .

Care to share why Bama, the most successful program in the last decade, has vacancies they need to fill? Wouldn't they have locked up their "top talent"? Otherwise, they wouldn't be hiring correct?

Your rention plan theory sounds great, but it isn't practical. Ambition drives people, and it doesn't follow the company plan.

Your ability to logically reason is lacking. Let?s compare Mississippi state to other middle tier programs and Bama to Clemson and other too 5 programs.

Your logic is comparing apples to lava rocks. Get back to me when You correct f the mindset.

So let me get this straight, in your first post you said a successful business has a retention plan to keep top talent. I replied and said that doesn't factor in a person's ambition and used Bama as an example of a successful business who has had massive turnover. Now you want to take a pot shot and hurl insults and state that we should compare ourselves to mid-tier programs.

Keep taking personal shots when you are proven wrong or try to move the goal posts within the discussion if you want. You're obviously melting so anything logical being said right now will only be met with emotion from you.

[ShotgunDawg]

Cohen just signed Baker to a contract extension. Unless he paid him way more than he was worth I don't know what else he could have done. I don't know the salaries of every DL coach in the league but I would guess Bama could easily give every one of them a raise. Including Orgeron.

It?s not your job to know what he could?ve done but it?s his job to figure that out.

MSU?s nuts have been severed in this recruiting cycle

[TUSK]

I don't know that paying coaches more money is a catch-all solution... Bammer pays their coaches a good bit more than most programs and it's coaching staff gets poached waaaaay more than anyone else's...

I would love to see the SEC step in and stop the intra-conference coachin' poachin'....

[yjnkdawg]

A question...give some reasons why Baker shouldn't leave State?

These coaches don't have any allegiance to MSU. They didn't grow up cheering and ringing a cowbell for MSU. If they make a move then they are doing so because they think it's best for their family and career. If some don't don't think a coaching move to Bama, even what some would call a lateral move, is looked upon as a more prestigious position nationally, then they need to find another hobby (other than posting on a message board), because reality has left them. And Bama can pay whatever they need to get a coach, and those who think we can compete on the money side are lacking in reality too.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/i...tant_coac.html

Bama paid the last DL coach $750,000.

http://www.cdispatch.com/sports/article.asp?aid=70804

Baker, pre new contract, was making $375,000.

AD's love to hire former Saban assistants.

Bama has a far easier time recruiting top talent

So at Bama he will make a LOT more money, be in a better position to get promoted, and will have an easier time looking like a great DL coach.

1) Why on earth would he stay, and 2) do you really expect John to come up with Bama levels of money? Loafers couldn't do it, and neither could Byrne.

But yeah lets conclude that Cohen is terrible at his job at best and intentionally helping Bama at worst. And if we aren't drawing those conclusions about Cohen we'll say Moorhead has lost control because his staff are getting undeniably better job offers.

Get your heads out of you asses people. I get this sucks and we're emotional, but sometimes there's no clear person to blame. Our boosters are either relatively poor or have always been stingy no matter the AD. That's not Moorheads or Cohens fault. Really though what do you want them to do? Moorhead can't give them more money, Cohen can't give salaries the boosters won't pay for. If you say it's Cohens' job to raise funding then we have to levy the same criticism at literally ever AD we've ever had.

This isn't sunshine pumping. It's math. We don't have the money to compete. it's actually a far more depressing view than blaming a few fireable people. And it's because it's so final and demoralizing that so many of you can't accept it

[TUSK]

Any of yall seeing confirmation that Baker has accepted the job at Bammer? I've seen/heard that a couple of places.

[Cooterpoot]

Brian Baker is never going to be a HC or DC. He took the money.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Any of yall seeing confirmation that Baker has accepted the job at Bammer? I've seen/heard that a couple of places.

No

[BuckyIsAB****]

If he does leave, and thats IF. How any of you can blame Cohen is beyond me. The guy just signed him to an extension. What do you want John to do? Lock him in the football building?

[TUSK]

No

You're likely more plugged in than I... Logan Lowery (Daily Journal) and BOL reporting it...

[Homedawg]

I'd worry if they weren't taking "better" jobs. We're losing guys to the NFL and Bama.

This. And nobody had a problem w us sniping a coach from Oregon during recruiting. What's good for the goose.....it sucks but a phone call to the commissioner isn't going to solve it.