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    Quote Originally Posted by Bothrops View Post
    Leach's system will work but only if you have the right qb. People still don't understand this fact.
    QB makes a big difference but if the QB doesn't have blockers it won't be much different than what we have now. Not to mention receivers who know how to work a zone.

    Everything I've said has already been beaten to death though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StateDawg44 View Post
    QB makes a big difference but if the QB doesn't have blockers it won't be much different than what we have now. Not to mention receivers who know how to work a zone.

    Everything I've said has already been beaten to death though.
    I looked at the first 14 throws for both Rogers and Costello on Saturday. Why 14? Because that is how many balls Rogers through in his first 2 drives.

    I make this post to say this is 100% on Costello for how bad our Offense has performed, not the line. My opinion, please change my mind.

    From snap of the ball to the release or subsequent pressure of the sack, Rogers had the ball for 30.29 seconds.

    Of the 30.29 seconds he held the ball for an average of 2.16 seconds. He read through his progressions and made the appropriate check downs in that timeframe and moved the ball pretty well and got a freaking touchdown. Please also note, that he made quite a few throws past ten yards and hit people in stride within ten yards. That is a winning formula.


    From snap of the ball to the release or subsequent pressure of the sack, Costello had the ball for 36.68 seconds.

    Of the 36.68 seconds he held the ball for an average of 2.62 seconds. With additional time he was sacked, fumbled twice (ball hit him in the chest), 1 pick, 1 under throw (probably a touchdown), and didn't look like he could read the defense.

    Looking at the numbers how I read this, the line gave Costello all the time he needed to read through his progressions and make the right throw. He couldn't do it, no matter what the reason is, he couldn't do it. A true freshman made Costello look like a true freshman in every facet of the QB position.

    I believe we need a full game of a Rogers running this offense to actually see what its capabilities are, Bama might not give us the best understanding. But, we also might be pleasantly surprised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick91 View Post
    I looked at the first 14 throws for both Rogers and Costello on Saturday. Why 14? Because that is how many balls Rogers through in his first 2 drives.

    I make this post to say this is 100% on Costello for how bad our Offense has performed, not the line. My opinion, please change my mind.

    From snap of the ball to the release or subsequent pressure of the sack, Rogers had the ball for 30.29 seconds.

    Of the 30.29 seconds he held the ball for an average of 2.16 seconds. He read through his progressions and made the appropriate check downs in that timeframe and moved the ball pretty well and got a freaking touchdown. Please also note, that he made quite a few throws past ten yards and hit people in stride within ten yards. That is a winning formula.


    From snap of the ball to the release or subsequent pressure of the sack, Costello had the ball for 36.68 seconds.

    Of the 36.68 seconds he held the ball for an average of 2.62 seconds. With additional time he was sacked, fumbled twice (ball hit him in the chest), 1 pick, 1 under throw (probably a touchdown), and didn't look like he could read the defense.

    Looking at the numbers how I read this, the line gave Costello all the time he needed to read through his progressions and make the right throw. He couldn't do it, no matter what the reason is, he couldn't do it. A true freshman made Costello look like a true freshman in every facet of the QB position.

    I believe we need a full game of a Rogers running this offense to actually see what its capabilities are, Bama might not give us the best understanding. But, we also might be pleasantly surprised.


    https://www.elitedawgs.com/showthrea...mbers-crunched


    Ok?

    This doesn't convince me otherwise the second time I saw it either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StateDawg44 View Post
    https://www.elitedawgs.com/showthrea...mbers-crunched


    Ok?

    This doesn't convince me otherwise the second time I saw it either.
    How does it not? Just trying to understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick91 View Post
    How does it not? Just trying to understand.

    There are just too many variables. I don't care about trying to poke a hole in what you've said. It doesn't convince me, don't know what you want me to say.

    In your 14 snap scenario, it makes sense I guess. Not saying what you've said is wrong. Insignificant sample size at two totally different stages of the game.

    When I see certain linemen repeatedly standing there not blocking a single person while the person he should be blocking is blowing past him while he is looking the other way, there is more to it than just 1 single player on the offense making things work.

    I agree Rogers is very likely the best option. He was putting balls in windows that Costello wasn't seeing but the WR's didn't look like they were totally on the same page with the Rogers either. But they were running their route correctly and Rogers knew where and when to put it. I don't need to crunch numbers and see averages to come up with what the other problems are when I can see them with my own eyes.

    Do you not think a QB not being able to trust his linemen effects his decision-making ability? Especially when that decision has to be made in 2 seconds.

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    Plus your response to my original post doesn't really apply. Yes, a good QB can make Leach's system tick. But what system doesn't require that? The point of my original post that differs from yours is that everything doesn't fall on Costello. Obviously the turnovers do though.

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