Absolute Insanity to Me that MSU Doesn't Use it's Best Logo For Highest Rated Sport..

[ShotgunDawg]

This is absolutely correct

So you want throw away the best logo MSU has so a niche sport’s brand isn’t diminished?

Why doesn’t Bama, UGA, or Auburn do this with their baseball teams?

Why would they want their inconsistent baseball programs diminishing their football brand?

[MaroonBelle]

So you want throw away the best logo MSU has so a niche sport?s brand isn?t diminished?

Why doesn?t Bama, UGA, or Auburn do this with their baseball teams?

Why would they want their inconsistent baseball programs diminishing their football brand?

Because baseball isn't a blip on football relevance but football could totally overshadow baseball? We all know football is king. No one from those schools cares what their baseball team does as long as football is performing well. You take a baseball logo that is from a historically good and nationally prominent baseball team and attach it to mediocre football team (which historically we are) and pretty soon all people attach to that logo is the mediocre football team and start thinking of baseball as a mediocre afterthought. The history of those great players we have had, of Ron Polk being the godfather of college baseball, of Thunder and Lightning, all attached to that logo and that logo attached to our baseball program, all gets diminished. U want to take the one logo from the sport we are most respected in historically and currently, the one thing we can hang our hat on, our most special thing that sets us apart (and it is, regardless of it being a "niche" sport or not), and drag it down to the level of all other sports and that doesn't help us at all. What does Florida do? What does Florida State do? South Carolina? Arkansas? ALL of them have secondary logos for baseball. U don't like the banner logo? Fine. Change it. But don't drag our baseball reputation into it.

If football, or any other sport at this school reaches that level of sustained prominence within it's own sport, get back to me. Otherwise using that logo for all sports is just casting pearls before swine.

[ShotgunDawg]

Whether the logo would look good on a helmet or not is an opinion up for debate. I think it could look okay and maybe better than what we have if done right, but not just overwhelming better than what we have. I think most people would agree that "State" is part of our brand, at least regionally, so I like that it's clearly stated within the main logo. I know there are split opinions on that logo, which is fine. All that aside...

College baseball, even our program, is very much a niche market and has very limited influence on the college football market. On the other hand football would absolutely dilute the powerful brand we've built for baseball within that niche market.

We have to be honest with ourselves, our football brand is not on par with our baseball brand. It's just not. And that's not "poor missippi state" it's just marketing truth. You don't dilute a successful niche brand with a larger more generic brand. You keep calling it insanity, but's really just smart marketing.

It would be like if Levi bought Patagonia and started calling all their jeans and other denim crap Patagonia. That's not really going to help the legacy Levi brand but surely you can see how this would dilute Patagonia.

Lastly, most of our fans buy gear with both logos and would probably buy less gear overall if we only had one logo. I know I would. I don't think our marketing people are interested in people buying LESS gear. At least I sure hope not.

Boy, I big time disagree that's using the M over S for football would dilute the baseball brand.

Big time disagree with that

[Lord McBuckethead]

Boy, I big time disagree that's using the M over S for football would dilute the baseball brand.

Big time disagree with that

I think you overestimate the "baseball brand". I would say the m over s looks like a high school logo from the midwest.

[ShotgunDawg]

I think you overestimate the "baseball brand". I would say the m over s looks like a high school logo from the midwest.

So I assume you believe North Carolina's & Auburn's are also HS logos?

Perhaps Tennessee's letter T is higher quality?

[confucius say]

Boy, I big time disagree that's using the M over S for football would dilute the baseball brand.

Big time disagree with that

From an awareness standpoint, you are right.

From a success/natty contender yearly standpoint, he is right.

[Cooterpoot]

I don't like MS on a football helmet. Not as it is anyway.

[ShotgunDawg]

I don't like MS on a football helmet. Not as it is anyway.

When have you seen it correctly sized?

[Dawgology]

Paging ChillyBilly. We need the mock up

[Coach34]

ANYTHING would be better than that crap we have currently. The Flying M kicks the shit out of our current logo

[ShotgunDawg]

ANYTHING would be better than that crap we have currently. The Flying M kicks the shit out of our current logo

This we can agree on.

[KOdawg1]

ANYTHING would be better than that crap we have currently. The Flying M kicks the shit out of our current logo

Your avatar pic is my personal preference. But the MoverS would be better than the banner too.

[msu15]

The interlocking logo(and uniform combinations) from the last Jackie teams are our best by far and it isn't close. The MoverS isn't even close.

[ShotgunDawg]

The MoverS isn't even close.

When have you seen it?

[Dawgtini]

We used it a year or two on our football helmets...late 60s early 70s?? Seems like maybe Felker played with the m over s on his helmet??

[captaindog]

1989-1995 is the logo I believe most like the best.
https://www.hailstateunis.com/footba...m-history.html

[ShotgunDawg]

Here's a rough crack at it. I'm sure it would look significantly better if professionally done.

[HailStateSZN19]

I wish we’d market “State” a lot more. A good bit of people call us “State” and it’s something OM & USM can’t use so its completely recognizable to specifically us. And imo, all the “STATE” script uniforms we have in sports are among our best. Here’s a tweet that shows a football helmet with “STATE” script as the logo and aside from the outline color of the letters, I think the helmet looks great.

[gtowndawg]

I wish we?d market ?State? a lot more. A good bit of people call us ?State? and it?s something OM & USM can?t use so its completely recognizable to specifically us. And imo, all the ?STATE? script uniforms we have in sports are among our best. Here?s a tweet that shows a football helmet with ?STATE? script as the logo and aside from the outline color of the letters, I think the helmet looks great.

Personally, I'm against the interlocking MS on the helmet. Pros and cons have been covered here but my main one is we've spent a ton of money over the last 25 years branding the M state mark. BUT, I will say that helmet that has "State" on it looks really good to me. Way better than I would have thought.

[ShotgunDawg]

Because baseball isn't a blip on football relevance but football could totally overshadow baseball? We all know football is king. No one from those schools cares what their baseball team does as long as football is performing well. You take a baseball logo that is from a historically good and nationally prominent baseball team and attach it to mediocre football team (which historically we are) and pretty soon all people attach to that logo is the mediocre football team and start thinking of baseball as a mediocre afterthought. The history of those great players we have had, of Ron Polk being the godfather of college baseball, of Thunder and Lightning, all attached to that logo and that logo attached to our baseball program, all gets diminished. U want to take the one logo from the sport we are most respected in historically and currently, the one thing we can hang our hat on, our most special thing that sets us apart (and it is, regardless of it being a "niche" sport or not), and drag it down to the level of all other sports and that doesn't help us at all. What does Florida do? What does Florida State do? South Carolina? Arkansas? ALL of them have secondary logos for baseball. U don't like the banner logo? Fine. Change it. But don't drag our baseball reputation into it.

If football, or any other sport at this school reaches that level of sustained prominence within it's own sport, get back to me. Otherwise using that logo for all sports is just casting pearls before swine.

I'm trying the help the football program by giving it a great logo that enhances its brand.

You obviously don't think much of our football program.

I get your point but believe it's absolute insanity and a misappropriation of priorities to put baseball or a logo above MSU football.