Delta cranking up in the state and all the SE.
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Delta cranking up in the state and all the SE.
Not football related but we were informed this morning that while in the building, all UPS employees must wear a mask regardless of vaccination status.
I could see masks being required to pass through the gates and while walking around the concourse. But I don't think any attendance restrictions will be done. But that's just my guess. I think we'll just have to see what the numbers look like in two weeks. I mean if they're just as bad, or worse it could happen.
Virus will be with us from now on. Just have to learn to live with it.
I doubt it.
Yep. Everyone needs to get the vaccine. Wash your hands. Wear mask when in public. Socially distance when possible. Stay at home when you are feeling bad. Wash your hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeshouldveflanked
When you cut through all the political nonsense, there are four small things that we has fellow humans in a society can control.
1. Socially Distance
2. Get the vaccine and any boosters available.
3. Wash your hands.
4. Wear a mask when you are indoors.
Period. Those are it. That is what we can do to protect ourselves, our loved ones, and other people. Simple. So, so simple.
And get a N95 mask. Even Biden's covid czar today said these masks that everybody is wearing aren't doing anything. He said we need N95Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
Yep.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Less than 40% is pitiful.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7zdE2QW...g&name=900x900
I agree, but it did hit in this area hard this time of year last year too. Florida is at their all time peak today in hospitalizations at ~50% vaccination rate. Their previous peak in hospitalizations was basically 1 year ago, July 23rd, 2020.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
Hell, just checked NY year to day 7-day avg case, and this was their down time last year...
Aug 1st, 2020: 771
Aug 1st, 2021: 2472
Up 220.6%, 57% vaccination rate
I'm vaccinated FWIW
ETA... in heavily vaccinated Israel, cases year to date are up 26.8%
Aug 1, 2020: 1649
Aug 1, 2021: 2089
Delta is not playing...
Serious Question - not trying to start a war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
First - #1 and #3 are true for any airborne contagion. #4 is only helpful with the right mask which virtually no one wears.
Note: I am vaxxed as it was a requirement to keep my job.
Question - Many of the reports I've seen lately indicate that there is little to no difference in likelihood of catching and/or spreading covid for vaxxed vs. unvaxxed. The data does seem to show that the severity of catching covid is much less for the vaxxed. So, I can see where vaxxed vs un-vaxxed could impact hospitalization rates and deaths. But, (question time) does it really impact the actual spread?
People are crying for everyone to get vaxxed so others don't get it. That seems to be the wrong motivational tool. Get vaxxed to stay out of the hospital-check, get vaxxed so it doesn't kill you - check, get vaxxed to stop the spread - not so much.
50% of persons over 18 have at least one dose.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
That's better than I would have thought honestly, and why our death numbers should stay down relative to January.
Maybe but I don't think we know yet. It was manmade so lasting recycle still yet to be seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeshouldveflanked
Delta started in India with over a billion people and it went thru India in a month or two and now herd immunity and everything kinda back semi normal there. We will spike but could return back down. Herd immunity is nearing our nation.
We thinking we peak around Labor Day? Little before?Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
Problem is there are 100million immune people who had Covid that CDC does not recognize yet every credible medical institution does. The latest CDC study showed 74% of people got Covid that had Vax. My doctor told me that there were only a few hundred cases nationwide of anyone actually having Covid twice. Way better than vax. Again, the shot is not a vax either, it says so on the paperwork.Quote:
Originally Posted by NWADAWG
God's immune system is always better than a manmade one. I'm not anti vax, pro for those at high risk but need to actually stick to the science.
And my place of employment has banned n95 masks. Won't let us use them. I will assume that will still be the case if/when we go back to a mask mandate.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
The first two spikes lasted around 2 months. We're right at a month into this one. If history is true to course we should be seeing numbers go back down around Labor Day.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Eventually it will mutate it self to a point it is nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeshouldveflanked
Vaccines are an extra layer of protection. The virus is still very much there, and no vaccine is 100% effective. Vaccines work by telling your immune system to produce antibodies. Thus, when you are infected with a disease, you have immediate antibodies to the disease. Without a vaccine, your natural immune system takes about 1-3 weeks to develop antibodies to a disease. A lot of havoc can be wrought while your body is spending time creating antibodies.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
It's not really surprising that we are seeing breakthrough cases of Covid in those vaccinated because there is high community spread in many places. We we all eventually be exposed to/get Covid in the next few years. The question is: do you want to get Covid with an extra layer of protection via vaccination or roll the dice without it?
Yes if it was a naturally occurring virus. This is a man made virus created in a lab.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
Created in a lab? Okay.
I am vaccinated and I stay at home if I feel sick and I wash my hands. I’m not going to social distance or wear a mask anywhere again for COVID. This virus is here to stay. Forever. I’m not wearing a mask for the entirety of my life because a bunch of virtue signaling idiots tell me to do it. I did what I was supposed to do. If people that do not want to get vaccinated keep dying I really do not care. It is not on me to make them do what they should do. Stop trying to protect people who do not want protection.
^^^^^This^^^^Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
The case numbers themselves aren't a big deal, the important data is that almost nobody that's vaccinated is dying. We need everyone vaccinated, then who cares? But I've lost all patience for the anti-vaxers. It's been 8 months of vaccines rolling out and we have no side effects, so there's not even a feeble "we don't know what the long term consequences are" excuse.
Delta originated in India. Covid is here to stay, it will keep mutating, and those mutations will make their way here. We can't keep shutting down and masking over them; tell people to get vaccinated or risk death, and let the sane people get back to normal. I may get sick a week, but I won't die
Agree. And I'll add those that already covid too. Vaccine and natural immunity are doing great!Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
https://media1.giphy.com/media/lp217...iphy.webp&ct=gQuote:
Originally Posted by Leeshouldveflanked
if you had a bad case of covid but recovered, would you get the vaccine?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg2003
Remember you arguing with me that vaccinated rarely spread covid?Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
According to when I had itQuote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
This is where I'm at. I'm vaccinated, so, even if I get it, it should be asymptotic/mild. If people want to remain unvaxxed and get Covid, that's their decision. I don't wish death/serious illness on anyone, but, if you play with fire long enough, you have to take on the consequences.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
Yes? I was right then and still am. I think you have known for a very long time that rare doesn't mean never, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
DecQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/s...563759621?s=21Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
If you're mid-30s or so, I'd prob go ahead and get itQuote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
N95 are definitely better. Always has been. I would imagine any mask that is routinely cleaned and swapped out is better than no mask. Not for stopping inhaling but stopping your vapor from spreading.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
That's 1 interesting data point, but we have a whole world of evidence showing that vaccination makes people a whole lot less likely to get the disease and spread it.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
In fact, since Provincetown is one of the most liberal, and vaccinated places in America, Bayes Theorem predicts this result because there are so few unvaccinated people there to begin with.
That is one place. For all you know there was a giant orgy going on. Give me statistics from the 10,000 hospitalized yesterday in Florida and we will talk.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I absolutely believe that the vaccine reduces hospitalizations. I do not agree that it prevents spread. Why are Israel's cases steadily going up (highest 7-day avg since March) with their outstanding vaccination rate?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
The cdc said yesterday that vaccinated, while less likely to contract covid, are just as likely to spread covid as unvaccinated if they do contract it.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/leaked-cdc-presentation-reassuring-vaccinated-people-2021-7%3famp
b/c the delta variant is nearly 3x more contagious than the covid-19 strain of last summer.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
You've been to P-Town, I take it.**Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead