and most want to go all the way to 16 teams. Yes!!! We need this at MSU. Now if they will just cut scholarships to 75, we might have a chance.
Sorry, 72% want 8 teams, 12% stay at 4, 11% 16, and 5% want 6.
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and most want to go all the way to 16 teams. Yes!!! We need this at MSU. Now if they will just cut scholarships to 75, we might have a chance.
Sorry, 72% want 8 teams, 12% stay at 4, 11% 16, and 5% want 6.
Agree. 16 teams would be YUGE for MSU & likely make the Egg Bowl have national significance potentially 4 or 5 out of every 10 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Cutting the scholarships + a 16 team playoff would be crazy awesome for MSU.
Many people say that by going to 16 teams, there will be less big games in college football, but that's small minded IMO.
Will the Iron Bowl & Ohio State/Michigan lessen in importance many years? Yes
However, the Egg Bowl, Bedlam, Florida/FSU, South Carolina/Clemson, the Holy War, USC/UCLA, The Big Game, South Carolina/Clemson, UGA/GT, etc will all gain more national prominence. It's great for the game & will make college football infinitely more intense in November
I think eight as an appropriate number. I'm not ready for 9-3 NCState to win a National Title.
They likely won't but 9-3 NC State would likely have to win at #1 Alabama to move the 2nd round.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I don't see any issue with that
6 loss NFL teams can easily win the Super Bowl & no one complains about that
If they won 4 straight against top 16 teams, they would deserve it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Bowl games are dead. They are now a fraud and money makers for bowl execs.
16 seems to work ok in Div II, III and whatever 1A is now callled.
I’ve always wanted it to be 8 teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
ESPN owns a lot of those bowls. They aren't going anywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
16 is absurd. And before you start jumping up and down the only way the 8 gets agreed to is every champ of the big 5 gets in no matter how shitty they are. Plus throw Nd in w a certain ranking and leaves 2 at large at best. I'd rather go top 4.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
ND not being in the ACC in football yet they are in basketball is the most ND football thing ever,.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
If they go 8 every AD should MAKE ND join ACC full time.
Agree with 16 too many
8 is plenty
P5 champs , 3 at large
Pac12 champs
Big 10 champs
Acc champs
Big 12 champs
Sec East champs
Sec west champs
Sec at large
Best of G5
Why is 16 too many? The NFL has 14 out of 32 teams with balanced schedules. 16 out of 130 with huge schedule imbalances seems fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
It would be a pretty weird year for a 9-3 NC State team to get into a 16-team playoff, assuming each conference gets an autobid. They would need to be ranked in the top 12 or so, and 9-3 teams, especially with an ACC resume, just aren't usually ranked that high.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
But even if they did in an oddball year, it would be incredibly unlikely for them to pull off 4 straight wins over top 5 teams, some of which were on the road.
6 teams is all we need. College football is special because the whole season is a playoff. Every game counts. A lot of years, you lose one you are out. You lose 2 and 99% of the time your done.
6 teams would expand the current format, but leave the regular seasons importance intact.
#1 and #2 get a first round bye
Round 1:
3 plays 6
4 plays 5
Round 2:
1 plays 4/5 winner
2 plays 3/6 winner
Could allow 1 seed to choose opponent to further the importance of regular season.
Round 3 is NC
Those first round byes would be worth playing for. No NFL like sitting of starters the last few games. ie, Bama is undefeated, has Aub coming up so sits starters against State to save them. Hate that about the NFL. Almost like an exhibition game.
Better than that... an 8-4 Bammer team squeaks with #14 seed....
Heck, I?m hanging another banner just thinking about CFP Expansion....
No on the G5. They should have to earn it like everyone elseQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
If a G5 is ranked in top 8, then yes but they don't get a freebee
Which is dumb. It adds nothing to the sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarcoRubio
Agree 100%. Can't have a G5 in if it's 8 unless they are ranked top 8. Memphis would have stolen a spot this year. Can't happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
The more the merrier. There may be blowouts but it increases the likelihood of upsets and opens the door for teams like MSU that will never make it otherwise. Imo it would bring out the best in players knowing they can honestly compete for a national title
without going undefeated. People are tired of watching the same type of teams play annually. Give people something new. Make room for parity.
This this thisQuote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
Also gives other programs the opportunity to build tradition
You are 100% correct. I have always thought the exact same schedule as u listed was spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarcoRubio
Doesn't the current format run thru 2026? Will ESPN pony up the money to support this type of product, remember there has to be an investment return on up front money? When you talk about this kind of expansion, you are now encroaching on the NFL. The NFL has stayed out of Saturday Football in respect to College ball, maybe that respect might just be forgotten if college ball fails to understand its place in the food chain? The NFL will not stay unresponsive if college ball encroaches on it's money share. What happens if ESPN has to choose between the NFL or College Football? Based on this , believe that the ADs might not command the money market?
This post would cause a crazy Oklahoma fan to attack you in a dark parking lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I would say:
5 Guaranteed slots for Champions (SEC, PAC, ACC, BiG10, and BIG12)
3 At Large (will usually be SEC-2, BiG 10-2, and One Non-P5 Pity Case)
I think 16 is the right number unless you want to give bye weeks. You could say top 4 get byes and then let next 8 play a round. Go straight up top 4 regardless of conference get byes. Then have 8 teams which would include at least champ from each P5 conference and then maybe top G5 if they make it into the top 12-16, however it was decided. Use rankings and bowl games to decide where they play. Maybe leave 4 team playoff the same but the first round is played at home of higher seed.
That only adds one game maybe around Dec 20th. It does take the higher 4 teams out of bowl games unless the go to bowls with a week or so turnaround.
I think 16 would be fantastic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
Would grow the sport of college football immeasurably due to there just being far far more important games in November.
It would increase late season attendance as the games would actually mean something.
When is the last time the Egg Bowl or MSU vs Arkansas actually had national implications? With a 16 team playoff, there is a legitimate chance that every few years both of those games had stakes.
I realize there are some negatives to a 16 team playoff, but it's also important to realize that there isn't a perfect system. However, a system that grows the game, brings about more big games, increases attendance, & makes more money is certainly better than one that excludes 90% of the teams in the country & makes November games more almost all teams virtually meaningless.
I can't understand a State fan not wanting a 16 team playoff. It would give us a chance once or twice every 10 years.
Completely agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Maybe even closer to 3 times every 6 years.
I think the only way you see a 16 team play-off is if they shorten the regular season by about two games .... and I would be ok with thatQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
2014 egg bowl had some pretty big implications as well as 15Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Good thing Dan was completely focused and prepared for both of those.**Quote:
Originally Posted by BB30
It won't matter this year. We ain't playing college football before 2021, if then.
I think a 16 or 8 team playoff would work schedule wise.
For 16 teams they could play one week after Army/Navy which would give teams a couple of weeks off after the Championship Games. Then you could do the final 8 teams Christmas week. Then the final 4 NYD week. And then the Championship Game would fall basically the same time.
Some people say that "Well, FCS does a playoff with no problem" but there are some issues with a FBS playoff. The FCS plays most of their playoff games at a homefield of one of the teams and I think the final is the only neutral site. That's potentially a lot of travel and logistics issues. And as a fan that's going to get REALLY expensive. I was looking at going to the FBS Championship Game in NOLA and the cheapest ticket was like 700 dollars on third party ticket services. For me if MSU won it would be about like me paying for season tickets 2-3 times that year. Of course they could just play the games on campuses and it would be cheaper. And they may very well decide to do that- I don't know.
Travel on that kind of short notice could be crazy too for everyone involved. Like MSU- let's say we go 17-0 and run the table for arguments sake. First we go to Atlanta for the SEC Championship Game. Then let's say we go to NOLA for the Sugar Bowl for the first round. Then Pasadena for the second round. Then maybe Dallas for the third round before finally going back to NOLA. Right now my credit card is crying.
What I think I would like to see personally- and they'll never do it- is total realignment with a Power 6 conferences. So you would have five 12 team conferences and then the PAC-12 would expand to 14 and then you have the four "traditional independents"- Notre Dame and then the three service academies. (78 teams total if my math is correct) Kick A&M and Mizzou out of the SEC and go back to the way it was. Make the league more regional than they are now- West Virginia in the Big 12 and Mizzou in the SEC? Seriously?
Then have.....drumroll please.... a 16 game regular season schedule. Start the season at the beginning of August. Play the other 11 SEC teams, four OOC games against any FBS team, and one FCS game. Other leagues have a similar set-up except for the PAC 12 which would be 13 conference games and 3 OOC games against one of which can be a FCS team.
Do away with the conference championship games. (I know won't happen)
Then do a 16 team playoff for the 16 most deserving teams. Keep the bowls for the rest of the teams that qualify. Non power six teams could qualify if they are worthy but they're going to have to be almost undefeated to get in.
four is just right, we have never had anyone win it that didn't deserve winning it since it went to four teams and there has never been a team left out that deserved a shot since going to 4. They got it right just like it is. Leave it alone.
It's not about who wins it. It's about giving more teams something to play for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hot Rock
I think you're missing the point of 16 teams
I also think with 16 teams, there's some chance that recruiting levels out a hair over time due to players knowing they still have a chance at more schools
This was solved in '98.... on or about the time the BCS came 'round....
You cats are either too young to remember the solution, or didn't hear 'bout it...
(teaser: it's a ridiculous 16 team dealio)
Did it?Quote:
Originally Posted by BB30
In both cases two of the best teams in the country were only playing for a higher status bowl game. Not for something that could alter who won the natty.
How is that? How is it that two of the best teams in America were only playing for a stupid bowl game instead of playing for a national seed that could propel them to a championship?
LOL. You forgot the *Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
I don't understand how any MSU fan would be against 16. You know your ass would be sitting down in front of the TV watching every single game of a 16 team playoff. Pretty much every game would have been the likely choice for College Gameday if it had happened during the regular season.
TCU 2014, Baylor 2014, Wisconsin 2017, and Ohio State 2018 all had only 1 loss at the end of the year and were left out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hot Rock
And looking back to 2014, there's no one who would have made the an 8-team playoff who wouldn't have been considered a deserving winner had they won it all.
- For example, no one was clamoring for Baylor (11-2 after a 3-point loss to Oklahoma and an OT loss to them again) to get in, but if they had rattled off wins over Ohio State, Clemson, and LSU in an 8-team format, no one would be begrudging them their championship.
The above argument is generally true in a 16-team format as well. If you assume that every conference gets an autobid (so 6 at larges) and no more conference championship games, you might get might get a few teams that don't really seem national championship caliber, but they would almost definitely lose in the first round or maybe second round anyway. They would still serve a good purpose in making the eventual winner prove they belong:
- Like in 2018, 9-3 Florida probably gets in because there's no one else to put in their place, but they still provide a good matchup. Depending on how the seeds shake out, their presence means 10-2 Michigan or undefeated UCF has to win against Florida before moving on to the Elite Eight. It's incredibly unlikely that Florida would have won 4 games, the early ones on the road, to win the national title, but they would have helped winnow down the final 8/4 to the absolute best. If UCF beats Florida in the first game, people are less begrudging about them having a spot in the final 8. If they lose, we get better matchups in the final 8.