It?s clear that we just don?t have horses regardless of coaches
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It?s clear that we just don?t have horses regardless of coaches
LOL ... right. We ain't got Bama or LSU horses but we ain't this bad either.
Man. This isn't a talent issue.
Our coaching talent is nonexistent
You misspelled effort
they aren't afraid of nor do they respect the coaches. If they did, they would exhibit some enthusiasm.
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
^^THIS^^
It's either there or not. I believe it's the latter. We have the heaviest OL in the league but also probably the weakest from a S&C prospective.
more fats to sprain
I agree. No speed on defense. None.
No playmakers at WR. A QB that can’t see the field, watching the rush.
When these hayseeds get Gruden for HC and Marino for QB coach next year, they’ll be disappointed again.
Strange that all this shit talent was projected by ESPN for 8-9 wins. You probably think that we maximized our wins with last year's mediocre talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen
It's all of it folks. A ton of folks said this was a 6-7 win team. We have the talent of a 6-7 win team.
Problem is we have a coaching staff and head coach that doesn't elevate us at all. But let's be clear. We don't have anywhere close to the talent the upper middle tier has. We are clearly better than the cellar of the SEC. But numbers 4-8 in the conference are way the hell better than us and that wasn't the case most of the time under Mullen.
Your alter-ego 007?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen
I think the excuse makers in this thread would be pleasantly surprised next season if this subpar talented team had a competent coach
Extremely. We do what needs to happen and hire Norvell, Napier, Clark, Hud, etc and this team is completely different next season. I can guarantee that we will be much more prepared and give more effort with any of those guys, just from watching their current teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
You are correct sir. We have plenty of talent to win 6-9 games every year with a competent coaching staff.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
When you play a FCS team coaching doesn't matter as much - you should straight up be better than the man opposite you if you're an SEC player. We can't cover their receivers, our DL can't whip their DL, our OL is not totally dominating their DL, or WR aren't getting open very much. We simply are NOT winning 1:1 much anywhere. Call it coaching, call it S&C issues, but we simply look like crap a ton.
If you took the names of the jerseys off would you think this was an SEC team vs a FCS team?
Truth!Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
You obviously don't realize how easily bad coaching and S&C can make decent teams look extremely bad. It'd be one thing if they were just calling their own plays, yeah you're scenario works. But not here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irondawg
Just going thru the motions dude ... just going thru the motions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irondawg
If the fans, players and coaches hadn’t quit, we would get to 6.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
Yep. Just a team playing out the string with no inspiration or desire. Nothing to do with talent level all to do with lack of coaching and motivation from the coaching staffQuote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
Agree on the players and coaches part, fans not so much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen
Have virtually no effect on the other two. The fans have been there all year for the most part except for this game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen
You are incorrect. We have NO discipline, no S&C at all and it is killing us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irondawg
No he's correct. Go compare our group of WRs to the rest in the conference. How about our DL? Secondary? None of those units as they look now are top half of he SEC even with good coaching. Having bad coaching makes it worse but those units aren't mid tier in the conference period.Quote:
Originally Posted by DogsofAnarchy
Exactly. Hhow many times have you seen a WR of ours make a catch then just make a play that's based on pure talent where he makes a guy miss and gets YAC. I bet we're last in the conference in YAC unless Vandy is worse. In almost every other game I watch the WR look better than ours. I'm not trying to make excuses for the coaches - it's bad - but we're sorely lacking in talent in a few key areas to properly compete in our league.Quote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
We've got too many people that just want to blame Moorhead 100% because they are pissed. He gets a lot of blame sure. But we are young and lacking in talent and experience at some positions on the team. And guess what? No matter who we bring in, WR is going to be pretty awful. Secondary will be iffy too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irondawg
So Zuber kicks ass in the Big 12 but now doesn't have talent to compete with ACU? Those Dline are mostly 4 star recruits and Rivers had a higher pressure rate than Sweat. So now he doesn't have talent?Quote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
Look, we don't have Bama or LSU talent but we damn sure have as much or more than UT, UK, Mizzou, UM, SC, and Vandy. This is purely an excuse for shitty coaching and leadership. A new coach can win 6-8 next year but I am sure Joe can get us to 4.
It's useless arguing with anyone still wanting to give Joe any excuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
See this is the problem. Not a single freaking person gave Moorhead an excuse. None. Saying we don't have middle tier talent at some positions after saying Moorhead is mostly to blame isn't giving Joe a pass.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
Some of you go full on stupid when it gets time to look for a HC. Can't even have a civilized conversation. It's either all Joe 100% or you support Joe and defend him. How stupid is that?
Very well said. This team is talented enough to win 6-9 every freaking year. Heck we may win 6 this year(though I doubt it). Competent coaching and not losing 10 players to suspension and this team wins 6-7 for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
I literally said "having bad coaching makes it worse". So you took that as me defending Joe and giving him an excuse?
I would like to know how you went to me excusing him after I said we have bad coaching.
Additionally, comparing Sweat and Rivers is reaching at best. You compared one person. On a team of 85. Try harder next time.
Nah, zero talent... none of this is on joe! Joe is not the problem! Talent, fans, weather, game times, or combo of all, but not joe... not joeQuote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying. Sorry if that was the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
Mullen did not leave the cupboard bare. He left us with a dang good roster and last years recruiting class was good. It's similar talent to what we've had the last 10 years. What's the difference now as opposed to when Dan was here? Coaching! Mullen got the most out of his roster, Joe hasn't. Not rocket science.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Ok ... I'll grant we have some young talent. Now we don't have LSU or Bama talent. Probably not AU or TAM but closer. And Shoop's secondary is depleted too with injuries and what not. On O tho, first you don't keep starting someone who can't catch a cold. Our Oline should be much better than they have been. If Hill won't block start Witherspoon. Don't know but I'm guessing his RS may be gone (hope not).Quote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
But when you don't work them hard, coach them hard, and work hard on good game plans you get about 70% of what they're capable of. Not real sure on the percentage but just taking a wag. I know it's significantly less than 100% tho.
Personally, I cannot see one area of the program outside of recruiting that is going well. And the verdict is still out on that this year. Last year we needed some LBs and RBs and came up short. We seriously deficient in RBs next year. Class wasn't evened out that well at all IMO.
Oh so it's MY fault?? F that. I quit because he sucks. Ill be there thurs Bc I hate ole miss. But don't blame the fans pal. We've been there. He made me leave Bc he is incompetent!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen
Some of the problem is he isn’t playing the best players. Start Shrader, Payton, and Dontae Jones and that in and of itself would help the offense out. Heck start Zuber or even Austin Williams is better than Guidry. Malik Dear has been wasted this year too even after being productive against Kentucky at running back.
I can name about 80 other college programs in the country that would trade our talent for theirs yesterday. Talent is there. Coaching talent is not.
Why is this so difficult to comprehend? I means it?s a little above coloring book level cognitive thinking, but anyone with the ability to access the Internet and navigate said internet to a message board should be able to figure this out for themselves.