MSU Football Currently Comes Down to This...

John Cohen hired a guy that was in no way, shape, or form prepared to run an SEC program.

He hired a trendy coach that...

- Gets used by recruits as a safety net to accumulate other offers.

- Gets used by coaches to get their foot in the SEC

- Gets abused by other coaches in games and we just say there is a learning curve.

I'm willing to give a coach the benefit of the doubt with a learning curve in some areas, so long as it's worth it due to him being elite in other areas. Mullen sucked at recruiting but he was elite with Xs and Os. Therefore you deal with the lack of recruiting ability and hope it comes.

So, what does JoMo do well? Why are we allowing a learning curve in virtually every facet of the program?

Is there anything he does that doesn't envolve a learning curve?

We call a guy that needs a learning curve in everything "not ready for the job"

It's getting bad.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

John Cohen hired a guy that was in no way, shape, or form prepared to run an SEC program.

He hired a trendy coach that...

- Gets used by recruits as a safety net to accumulate other offers.

- Gets used by coaches to get their foot in the SEC

- Gets abused by other coaches in games and we just say there is a learning curve.

I'm willing to give a coach the benefit of the doubt with a learning curve in some areas, so long as it's worth it due to him being elite in other areas. Mullen sucked at recruiting but he was elite with Xs and Os. Therefore you deal with the lack of recruiting ability and hope it comes.

So, what does JoMo do well? Why are we allowing a learning curve in virtually every facet of the program?

Is there anything he does that doesn't envolve a learning curve?

We call a guy that needs a learning curve in everything "not ready for the job"

It's getting bad.

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He had a good resume, but in the business world, people with good resumes don't work out all the time. But in college football, instead of cutting bait, the answer is keep digging. Moorhead will get 2 more years. Better hope he figures it out instead of Crxxming our program.

Dude is two dropped passes from being 10-2...Jesus. And honestly it?s three dropped passes because if Willie doesn?t botch the pick-6 before half against FL it?s a different ball game in the second half.

That?s the fact of life. The players didn?t step up when the coaches put them in a position to win. It happened time and time again this year. And who recruited those players?

It?s funny watching this fanbase. All of you wanted Mullen gone and now you?re all wanting him back. Guys wanted A-Train to sit behind Hill at the beginning of the year and now people wonder why he didn?t start all year. It?s laughable watching the crap on this board.

He's got next year for me. I know he'll probably get 2 more at least, but I'm not sold on Joe Moorhead. Looked to be a decent hire at first, but maybe it's just not a good fit. He's got next year to change my mind.

I'm tired of him already.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

John Cohen hired a guy that was in no way, shape, or form prepared to run an SEC program.

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Few that are, even fewer at MSU.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

John Cohen hired a guy that was in no way, shape, or form prepared to run an SEC program.

He hired a trendy coach that...

- Gets used by recruits as a safety net to accumulate other offers.

- Gets used by coaches to get their foot in the SEC

- Gets abused by other coaches in games and we just say there is a learning curve.

I'm willing to give a coach the benefit of the doubt with a learning curve in some areas, so long as it's worth it due to him being elite in other areas. Mullen sucked at recruiting but he was elite with Xs and Os. Therefore you deal with the lack of recruiting ability and hope it comes.

So, what does JoMo do well? Why are we allowing a learning curve in virtually every facet of the program?

Is there anything he does that doesn't envolve a learning curve?

We call a guy that needs a learning curve in everything "not ready for the job"

It's getting bad.

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Keep taking your shot Jackie Moon... eventually you'll be right, but in the meantime please quit melting about literally everything. It gets old.

Moorhead is done. He won’t survive next year. When your main staff guys jump ship, it’s over.

I continue to be amazed at MSU fans. We lose a middle of the pack corner back and the damn end of the world is near. How does this constant complaining and negative BS posted on message boards and twitter do anything to help? It doesnt. This one here must be a freaking joy to be around. Glad Im not

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

John Cohen hired a guy that was in no way, shape, or form prepared to run an SEC program.

He hired a trendy coach that...

- Gets used by recruits as a safety net to accumulate other offers.

- Gets used by coaches to get their foot in the SEC

- Gets abused by other coaches in games and we just say there is a learning curve.

I'm willing to give a coach the benefit of the doubt with a learning curve in some areas, so long as it's worth it due to him being elite in other areas. Mullen sucked at recruiting but he was elite with Xs and Os. Therefore you deal with the lack of recruiting ability and hope it comes.

So, what does JoMo do well? Why are we allowing a learning curve in virtually every facet of the program?

Is there anything he does that doesn't envolve a learning curve?

We call a guy that needs a learning curve in everything "not ready for the job"

It's getting bad.

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Pretty sure we can say the exact same thing about Mullen in all of those things.

Plenty of recruits kept us warm under Dan.

Diaz straight up used Mullen as a stepping stone not once but twice. Collins did too and technically so did Grantham.

And Dan got his ass reamed by Georgia, Bama, Auburn, and LSU. And that was more than 5 years AFTER he had been here.

Welcome to MSU. Not the new MSU. But the same damn one we've had for a decade. Wake up and realize it's not Moorhead. It's MSU.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Moorhead is done. He won’t survive next year. When your main staff guys jump ship, it’s over.

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Your right.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

He hired a trendy coach that...

- Gets used by coaches to get their foot in the SEC.

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I mean to be fair Mullen couldn't keep coaches either, and they didn't leave to get "I coached under Saban" on their resume either. Turner left for the same DL job at A&M, Diaz used us as a stepping stone x2, Collins ditched us for the same job elsewhere... Moorhead has lost 1 guy to Bama, that's it. I'm shocked we've kept the defensive staff in place

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

Pretty sure we can say the exact same thing about Mullen in all of those things.

Plenty of recruits kept us warm under Dan.

Diaz straight up used Mullen as a stepping stone not once but twice. Collins did too and technically so did Grantham.

And Dan got his ass reamed by Georgia, Bama, Auburn, and LSU. And that was more than 5 years AFTER he had been here.

Welcome to MSU. Not the new MSU. But the same damn one we've had for a decade. Wake up and realize it's not Moorhead. It's MSU.

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But it's supposed to all change in one season because everyone had extremely high expectations that didn't come to fruition. So it's all totally Joe's fault.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

John Cohen hired a guy that was in no way, shape, or form prepared to run an SEC program.

He hired a trendy coach that...

- Gets used by recruits as a safety net to accumulate other offers.

- Gets used by coaches to get their foot in the SEC

- Gets abused by other coaches in games and we just say there is a learning curve.

I'm willing to give a coach the benefit of the doubt with a learning curve in some areas, so long as it's worth it due to him being elite in other areas. Mullen sucked at recruiting but he was elite with Xs and Os. Therefore you deal with the lack of recruiting ability and hope it comes.

So, what does JoMo do well? Why are we allowing a learning curve in virtually every facet of the program?

Is there anything he does that doesn't envolve a learning curve?

We call a guy that needs a learning curve in everything "not ready for the job"

It's getting bad.

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All that and we still went 8-5 and have a top 25 class.

Im not defending Moorhead on the field, I am defending his recruiting because he is pretty good at it, better than Mullen by a lot. Every coach gets used and every coach uses players its just the name of the game. Im not defending what he did on the field this year at all, it was a solid D to C job at best. Has to improve. I have heard some things over the past few days now that Fitz is gone about how much he hampered us, esp in the bowl but he is gone now. Next year he will not have that excuse.

Im just saying it isnt as bad as you are making it out to be. Its not like we went 4-8. Before you even reply let me repeat, I am not saying I am ok with that this year, we had a 10 win team that Moorhead coached to 8 wins because he wanted to do what he is comfortable with and not what we could do.

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

Dude is two dropped passes from being 10-2...Jesus. And honestly it?s three dropped passes because if Willie doesn?t botch the pick-6 before half against FL it?s a different ball game in the second half.

That?s the fact of life. The players didn?t step up when the coaches put them in a position to win. It happened time and time again this year. And who recruited those players?

It?s funny watching this fanbase. All of you wanted Mullen gone and now you?re all wanting him back. Guys wanted A-Train to sit behind Hill at the beginning of the year and now people wonder why he didn?t start all year. It?s laughable watching the crap on this board.

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That is a lame excuse as well. He wouldnt be 3 dropped passes away if he had done what his kids could do and not sacrificed a 10 win season just to run his system, and run it like shit.

And at the end of the day, you cant fire players but you can fire coaches

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

All that and we still went 8-5 and have a top 25 class.

Im not defending Moorhead on the field, I am defending his recruiting because he is pretty good at it, better than Mullen by a lot. Every coach gets used and every coach uses players its just the name of the game. Im not defending what he did on the field this year at all, it was a solid D to C job at best. Has to improve. I have heard some things over the past few days now that Fitz is gone about how much he hampered us, esp in the bowl but he is gone now. Next year he will not have that excuse.

Im just saying it isnt as bad as you are making it out to be. Its not like we went 4-8. Before you even reply let me repeat, I am not saying I am ok with that this year, we had a 10 win team that Moorhead coached to 8 wins because he wanted to do what he is comfortable with and not what we could do.

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And him not running his offense would set us back this year. There?s a trade off. If players make plays, we?re 10-2.

I don?t always agree with you, but you have a connection I do. Ask him about Fitz and you?ll learn a lot more.

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

That is a lame excuse as well. He wouldnt be 3 dropped passes away if he had done what his kids could do and not sacrificed a 10 win season just to run his system, and run it like shit.

And at the end of the day, you cant fire players but you can fire coaches

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Coaches jobs are to put players in positions to win games. He did in both of those games. They didn?t execute when the opportunity presented itself. That?s a fact.

You?re a coach, you should know that.

The melt around here wouldnt be nearly as bad had we won the bowl game. Its understandable but predictable. Hundreds of other programs lost coaches and lost commits but around here we are ready to fire a guy bc of it. Moorhead is an extremely geniune and likable guy, he will recruit well and other coaches will love to coach with him. My biggest fear with him is in fact if he is too nice, that is yet to be seen.

I didnt think Huff would leave but he's gone, the hell with him. Hopefully we beat his ass next year, its only the end of the world when we lose to OM and we beat them

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

Coaches jobs are to put players in positions to win games. He did in both of those games. They didn?t execute when the opportunity presented itself. That?s a fact.

You?re a coach, you should know that.

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You are singleing out 3 plays in an entire season where he tried to run something his players couldnt do. True if those kids make those 3 particular plays then we win those games, but those kids also made plays in other games that we did win.

If Moorhead had done what his team could do, we would have won at least 10. He decided it would be better to go ahead and run his system anyway, I guess he thinks its worth the sacrifice. I dont because this was a special team but thats just me.

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

You are singleing out 3 plays in an entire season where he tried to run something his players couldnt do. True if those kids make those 3 particular plays then we win those games, but those kids also made plays in other games that we did win.

If Moorhead had done what his team could do, we would have won at least 10. He decided it would be better to go ahead and run his system anyway, I guess he thinks its worth the sacrifice. I dont because this was a special team but thats just me.

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Heaven forbid we should ask our WR's to catch the ball.**

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

And him not running his offense would set us back this year. There?s a trade off. If players make plays, we?re 10-2.

I don?t always agree with you, but you have a connection I do. Ask him about Fitz and you?ll learn a lot more.

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I have heard some things about Fitz, but my first question was always why did we leave him in there then if that was the case?

There's a trade off you're right, and we traded a 10 win season in this year for what we got. Hopefully its worth it next year

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

You are singleing out 3 plays in an entire season where he tried to run something his players couldnt do. True if those kids make those 3 particular plays then we win those games, but those kids also made plays in other games that we did win.

If Moorhead had done what his team could do, we would have won at least 10. He decided it would be better to go ahead and run his system anyway, I guess he thinks its worth the sacrifice. I dont because this was a special team but thats just me.

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Two plays of the three where the guys were open and the throws (shockingly) hit them in the hands. You recruit WRs to catch am I right?

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Heaven forbid we should ask our WR's to catch the ball.**

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They should have caught it no doubt, but thats this game. Thats the coaching game, you are hinging your life basically on what kids do. How do we fix that? You get Jonathan Mingo and other better WRs that will catch it. But more importantly you realize what your players can do and you do that, not what your pride tells you to do

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

I have heard some things about Fitz, but my first question was always why did we leave him in there then if that was the case?

There's a trade off you're right, and we traded a 10 win season in this year for what we got. Hopefully its worth it next year

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Because I really don?t think Joe trust KT. I?ve heard some stories on that front as well.

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

Two plays of the three where the guys were open and the throws (shockingly) hit them in the hands. You recruit WRs to catch am I right?

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Yep and Moorhead recruited none of them. I get it he cant catch it for them but he didnt have to keep banging his head against the wall all year doing what we obviously could not do well with what we had.

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

And him not running his offense would set us back this year. There?s a trade off. If players make plays, we?re 10-2.

I don?t always agree with you, but you have a connection I do. Ask him about Fitz and you?ll learn a lot more.

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What if Stidham had completed that wide open pass in the AU game. You can't single out 2 plays. What if Iowa didn't fumble the kick off return. We can go round and round with this shit all day. I'm not melting today like most on here, but Moorhead did a shitty job this past year.

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

Because I really don?t think Joe trust KT. I?ve heard some stories on that front as well.

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I would take any player out that went out there and did the exact damn opposite of what he was being coached to do. To be fair, during the A&M game and after that Fitz improved tremendously but in the bowl game he went backwards and played like LSU fitz where he tried to get by on being an athlete. Moorhead cant control that but what he damn sure can do is yank his ass after he runs it 3 times in a row on the goaline when he was being coached to do otherwise.

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

I would take any player out that went out there and did the exact damn opposite of what he was being coached to do. To be fair, during the A&M game and after that Fitz improved tremendously but in the bowl game he went backwards and played like LSU fitz where he tried to get by on being an athlete. Moorhead cant control that but what he damn sure can do is yank his ass after he runs it 3 times in a row on the goaline when he was being coached to do otherwise.

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Meh, Moorhead could be a good enough coach to have some plays under center where we get it to the RB's. Did you catch Burkhead and the Patriots tonight?

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

What if Stidham had completed that wide open pass in the AU game. You can't single out 2 plays. What if Iowa didn't fumble the kick off return. We can go round and round with this shit all day. I'm not melting today like most on here, but Moorhead did a shitty job this past year.

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Auburn fumbled at the goal line. Fitz and Guidry td against aTm likely is a 1 in 100 kinda play for those 2

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Meh, Moorhead could be a good enough coach to have some plays under center where we get it to the RB's. Did you catch Burkhead and the Patriots tonight?

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Spread guys aint gonna go under center, its just not going to happen. I do agree with you that we should but it just aint going to happen. I like the spread but I dont have enough pride in it to not want to get under some.

To spread and air raid guys going under is just taking away practice time of slinging it around and fumbling the snap spooks them. Also having to teach the QB a new drop spooks them

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Auburn fumbled at the goal line. Fitz and Guidry td against aTm likely is a 1 in 100 kinda play for those 2

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You are supporting his argument you understand that right

For the 2nd time in 25 years we've had a golden opportunity to leave OM in the dust and we f*ck it up again.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

What if Stidham had completed that wide open pass in the AU game. You can't single out 2 plays. What if Iowa didn't fumble the kick off return. We can go round and round with this shit all day. I'm not melting today like most on here, but Moorhead did a shitty job this past year.

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Wide open pass? Then that is on the coach for not having his player prepared to play. On the flip side, Gus put his guys in a position to win and they didn?t execute.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Meh, Moorhead could be a good enough coach to have some plays under center where we get it to the RB's. Did you catch Burkhead and the Patriots tonight?

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Did you really wanna see Fitz try to go under Center?

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

Wide open pass? Then that is on the coach for not having his player prepared to play. On the flip side, Gus put his guys in a position to win and they didn?t execute.

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So you've come around to my side that it's ridiculous to excuse Joe's season by pointing out 2 drops? I'm glad you came around. It's rare for message board posters to admit they were wrong. Kudos.

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

You are supporting his argument you understand that right

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Yes, I'm supporting hoops' arguement.

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

Did you really wanna see Fitz try to go under Center?

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Mullen put Fitz under center in 2017

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

Did you really wanna see Fitz try to go under Center?

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No man, I love that play where Fitz takes the snap, makes 3 reads, and runs straight ahead 19 times per game. I mean, we scored 4 points per game in our 4 losses so what we were doing worked so well I wouldn't change a single thing.

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Originally Posted by Turfdawg67

For the 2nd time in 25 years we've had a golden opportunity to leave OM in the dust and we f*ck it up again.

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Yep, your right. How very Misipy Tate of us.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

So you've come around to my side that it's ridiculous to excuse Joe's season by pointing out 2 drops? I'm glad you came around. It's rare for message board posters to admit they were wrong. Kudos.

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I enjoy 8 win seasons because I remember the 3 win seasons. But you made my point actually, coaches put players in position to win games. It?s the players job to execute. Auburn completes the pass okay, but Moorhead?s offense ran up and down the field that night we still would?ve won.

Now did Moorhead play to win against Iowa? No he didn?t, he played not to lose. But at the end of the day he got his guys in a position to win that game and the players did execute at all. He had guys in position to make plays against FL and they didn?t execute.

We make those two plays and we?re 10-2 and everyone is happy.