Can we put this to bed right now? 3 million a year and a SEC HC gig will always have the line out the door.
Can we put this to bed right now? 3 million a year and a SEC HC gig will always have the line out the door.
We aren't firing him after one year so what's the point.
Yup. But nobody seems to agree with us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgs31
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Originally Posted by Dawgs31
It ain't happening, but if it did, we wouldn't be able to attract anybody that Cohen, or you or me would want to be our head coach.
3-9, go to the unemployment lineQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
4-8, you’ll never be great
5-7, choose a new profession
6-6, next year better be fixed
7-5, safely alive
It would be surprising. Barring a Cannizaro type scandal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgfan77
At worst Hud would take it.Quote:
Originally Posted by yjnkdawg
Not a single SEC level HC would jump for 3m. You'd have to grab a random unproven new G5 coach/not cream of the crop P5 coordinator. Top P5 coordinators and top G5 coaches can get 3m anywhere. Aranda and Neil Brown, for instance, could get 3M from a P5 school like it's nothing. And if our top choices are looking at 3m at State, or 3m at a different school, they'll pick the one that doesn't have to play 4 top 15 recruiters every year, and the one that will give them more than 1 year to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgs31
You'd have 1,000 applications, none of which would have much of a resume or hints they'd be good HCs. The next Saban may be in there but it's an absolute crapshoot, highly unlikely we come out with a good enough hire to keep the program from deteriorating.
But you don't understand. We are Mississippi State. And we are distinctly special in how we can opperate because of reasons I can't tell you.Quote:
Originally Posted by yjnkdawg
Neal Brown would take it, and he'd be a massive upgradeQuote:
Originally Posted by yjnkdawg
The silver lining there is we have proven that we will go at least as high as 6 million to someone that is qualified.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
Bullshit. We had a coach 9 years and he left the cupboard semi stocked. Not many people wanted it then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgs31
He doesn't have 5 losses yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgs31
Why do people act like Hudd is a decent fall back plan? Maybe as an interim he'd be a fine in game coach, but as the full time HC he'd be bad. Dude is a failed G5 coach, and yet people here haven't adjusted their 5 year old opinions on Hudd to the new facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
The fact is Hudd is not a better hire than Joey Jones would be. If Hudd hadn't been here before this year we'd view him as we do JJ, namely, by the resume.
"At worst Hudd would take it" = "at worst we get a failed G5 coach that's not even an X's and O's guy". That's pretty bad.
Hud is the floor in this situation. And not a bad floor.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
Hud is better than Moorhead. Don't want either thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
The only way Joe remotely gets canned is if we go 3-9 losing to a far lesser talented La Tech, a god awful Ark and a defensively retarded OM. To me I think a semi-plausible case can be made. But, I doubt we fire Joe after a year. Now, next year, if he's still clueless and the offense is sputtering around like a 1982 Toyota and it's a 4-8/5-7 season, he's gone.
That is wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen
Cohn wanted to be the smartest guy in the room. It was a leap of faith with joe.
I'm a big fan of him. I was shocked nobody took him last year after his 2nd 10 win season.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
However, the fact he didn't have options last year doesn't mean we're ht only game in town this year. And is he gets a decent P5 offer this year that isn't us, why would he pick the one broke the precedent every school in the country follows by firing a coach after 1 year?
Guys, remember that LSU lost to Troy last year after being blown out by us. Every LSu forum was melting as bad as we are. They didn't fire him and now are pretty good. Game 5 results are not proof of long term failure. I know I'll get roasted and I can't find any positives about Moorhead either, but it is possible giving him a year 2 will work out.
LSU turned it around last year. They ended up winning 9 gamesQuote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
And they started 3-2 with losses to us and Troy. And dang near dropped the Syracuse game.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
You thinking we turn it around this year?Quote:
Originally Posted by WeWonItAll(Most)
can't wait to see who we hire after going 4-8 and 3-9
How about Indiana's DC or Wisconsin's RB coach?Quote:
Originally Posted by bluelightstar
I said this for the baseball team too and it may come back to haunt us still. We really have no more info. that Lemonis will do any better with the baseball program than Henderson did. Letting Henderson go abrubtly after 2 years with him taking us almost to the Championship round sent a message to other future good baseball coaches to make them leary of the MSU job......could be why we only had Lemonis left wanting it. Dont know for sure. I do know this......I saw Hendoo with a lot more fire in his belly than Moorhead.Quote:
Originally Posted by yjnkdawg
Certainly not to 9-3. That would require us winning in Tuscaloosa or Baton Rouge.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Here's what I think of Moorhead though. The guy was universally acclaimed by the college football world as an offensive guru. You don't get the level of praise he got and either a) be a phony or b) suddenly forget everything. I'm afraid that what they meant was "he has a brilliant offensive system" and we took it as "he's going to be highly successful with any personnel and can adapt to anything." Which means I think he can be successful if given a few years and if he's capable of recruiting the players he needs for his system. I think that Fitz is a poor fit in his offense, and I think that years of poor OL and WR recruiting is coming back to bite us. To make up for his inability to recruit talent at OL, Mullen had to get guys that were pretty much specialized to his system and our WRs flat out suck aside from Guidry (who still has more than a few drops this season). I'm disappointed that Moorhead is unwilling or unable to adjust more to Mullen's system, but whether or not he does get enough time to do what he wants is dependent on him figuring out how to adjust for this year, then either molding Key or Mayden into what he wants in a QB or praying that Schrader is ready to roll as a true freshmen. And again, actually being able to recruit the players he needs.
I don't think our pseudo-sociologists are correct in saying "southern kids just need to be yelled and cussed at more than them northern folk" and I sure as hell don't think there is a scenario where we should fire him this season aside from unforeseen scandal or maybe if we were to not win another game this season.
Vandy fired Caldwell after his one 2-10 season and hired James Franklin. Franklin was an OC and considered an up and comer and good recruiter but not on the same level as Moorehead was thought of. And Franklin was about to be looking for a job since the Maryland HC was fired that season.
A right hire has to be a fit for the program and both sides buy in to the program and the HC for him to be successful
Not understanding this. He?s the best coach in the history of ULL?s program. I know it?s ULL, but just saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
Lane Kiffin would walk to Starkville for $3 million a year. He’d leave in a few years, but he wouldn’t turn it down.
Robbie Caldwell was an interim coach. Bobby Johnson retired in mid July before the season started. Not exactly the same situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
The issue is that after the NCAA crushed the Saunders connection (which Hud knew exactly what he was getting with Saunders and turned a blind eye) the team took a quick and decisive downturn. He has to rehab his career and move back up through the ranks before getting a shot again.Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
Right but the closest in recent memory of a coach just lasting one year and being fired. I wasn’t saying we necessarily should fire a HC after just one season, just thinking of an example where it actually happened. And it’s semantics but the interim tagged was dropped prior to the season and he was given an extensionQuote:
Originally Posted by Captain Falcon
Maybe Moorehead will turn this around with his passing QB next season. I just hate we are “rebuilding “ again. This shoulda been a great year but obviously these players don’t fit his system n
I can't even imagine doing something that foolish. Gary takes over after the season has started in turmoil and goes to the freaking CWS. We reward him by letting him go. That's my cue that IB might not have any clue wtf he's doing. Exactly how many times did IB take any team to Omaha? Oh, the same exact number of times as Gary. What a joke. No, no. Let's hire the guy who's best finish is T-3rd in the B1G and never made it out of a regional.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pit Bull
Great decision making right there.Is this real life?
The bears kept Matt Luke after a 6-6 year. Not saying they had better options, but the point still stands. Is Lemonis objectively a better option? And what objective evidence could possibly lead you to this conclusion?
They prob had over 200 yds of offense in each loss.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeWonItAll(Most)
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Originally Posted by Dawgs87
Lotta baseball jobs got filled this year. Where is Hendo coaching? Hmm...didn't even get on as an assistant anywhere...interesting that nobody else wanted him either.
In all of MSU's football years, have we ever gotten better when throwing more?Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
No. So stop trying. Be who we are.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
I agree. Even if that means we lose to Bama every year, it's what we can recruit year in and year out. It makes us competitive and gives us a chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
I have no way given up. Too much football left to be played.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61