2017

A W is a W. It wasnt pretty but it beats the hell out of an L. If everybody on our team played has hard as Fitz does we wouldnt be 6-7. Extremely disappointed that Mullen didnt let Williams run the ball more today. Really odd. Really odd to put in 11 and let him throw it on 4th and 4 too.

Looking at 2017 I see potential to win 8-9 games maybe 10 with a bowl, OR I could see us going 6-6 and making another St Pete style bowl.


The difference will be on defense and our OL. We should be better on D cant be any worse. We have to have these JUCO guys ready to go. They cant wait till game 8 or 9 to be ready.


Fitz is the real deal talent wise. If he has the offseason we need out of him he will be the best offensive player in the SEC next year.

Peter Sirmon's D may keep us from winning 6. He has got to go. Our defense is an embarrassment. Our O sucked today too, but the D sucked bad all year. Soft soft defense. I hate it.

We have no shot at 8 or more wins without MAJOR improvement on D. I don't think Sirmon can get it done

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Peter Sirmon's D may keep us from winning 6. He has got to go. Our defense is an embarrassment. Our O sucked today too, but the D sucked bad all year. Soft soft defense. I hate it.

We have no shot at 8 or more wins without MAJOR improvement on D. I don't think Sirmon can get it done

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Got to have better corners in order to play better defense. Not good enough to play press defense, have to zone.

Sirmon, "rush three and drop eight into a soft zone". Never catch on that the TE is an eligible receiver and we might want to defend a pass across the middle. P.S., maybe there is a reason his family doesn't move to Starkville.

Need a new locker room culture to win more than 6 next year. This program is soft, soft, soft. At very least, hopefully the JUCO guys will come in and create some intense competition and that makes everyone better.

We don't have a ton of 5 stars, but we are going to have 17 or 18 4 stars on defense next year. No excuses for not being significantly better

5 more wins and another thanks for the great apr shitburger bowl.

Better hope the JC players get a real chance to see the field over less talented players rewarded for being in the system ahead of them. I hope we see the best players on the field at all times.

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Originally Posted by GTHOM

A W is a W. It wasnt pretty but it beats the hell out of an L. If everybody on our team played has hard as Fitz does we wouldnt be 6-7. Extremely disappointed that Mullen didnt let Williams run the ball more today. Really odd. Really odd to put in 11 and let him throw it on 4th and 4 too.

Looking at 2017 I see potential to win 8-9 games maybe 10 with a bowl, OR I could see us going 6-6 and making another St Pete style bowl.


The difference will be on defense and our OL. We should be better on D cant be any worse. We have to have these JUCO guys ready to go. They cant wait till game 8 or 9 to be ready.


Fitz is the real deal talent wise. If he has the offseason we need out of him he will be the best offensive player in the SEC next year.

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Players have got to learn the system and assignments. It's never a good thing to hear a coach is having to simplify the defense....aka dumb it down, because players are not catching on.

I'm willing to give it another year because of what that defense offers.

I have never coached a game in my life, but have been a devout State season ticket holder since the mid '70's. What are the advantages of the 3 - 4 over a 4 -3 in today's world of spread offenses in college ball?

I hope the jucos come in and shake shit up, piss our current players off. That's what should happen. These soft ****ers in our program right now should be mad that these jucos are coming in. Because it's a loud statement that we don't believe that the guys going home on the plane today can get it done. Well to you returning players prove you can. Toughen up buttercups.

Read the recent interview with Bryant on 24/7. Full of himself, brags about his improvement on the field and in leadership abilities this year. Speaks of the talent of the guys already on the team behind him and how he hopes the JUCO guys can add depth. We need a real open competition for almost all positions in 2017 no matter what your seniority.

They punted what, once? All I need to know. Fire Sirmon 6 months ago. Should've never been hired

Sure is great seeing our players celebrate and enjoying themselves as some of y'all must be miserable.

Happy New Year!

P.S. Winning is good especially bowl games as they can be hard to judge. Let's see how the other SEC teams fair.

We went 6 -7 and looked bad doing it in all but 2 wins. Reality.

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

I have never coached a game in my life, but have been a devout State season ticket holder since the mid '70's. What are the advantages of the 3 - 4 over a 4 -3 in today's world of spread offenses in college ball?

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- more coverage
- faster to the edges
- better zone blitzing

What about pressure on the QB in today's pass happy offenses?

Good thing Richie Brown grabbed hold of the TE's jersey, or we would probably lost.

I think Richie was totally out of place this year in our not so great 3 - 4. I thought he played much better in years' past in the 4 -3. I am totally unimpressed in the 3 - 4. Who else in the SEC runs it with success. We sure don't.

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

What about pressure on the QB in today's pass happy offenses?

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I answered that question above and in another thread. Who has the top defense in the nation right now? Bama. What do they run?

Bama:

Ranked 1 in defense
Ranked 1 in defensive TDs
Ranked 6 in pass defense
Ranked 1st in rush defense
ranked 26th in INT
Ranked 4th in sacks
Ranked 7th in TFL

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Originally Posted by Coach

I answered that question above and in another thread. Who has the top defense in the nation right now? Bama. What do they run?

Bama:

Ranked 1 in defense
Ranked 1 in defensive TDs
Ranked 6 in pass defense
Ranked 1st in rush defense
ranked 26th in INT
Ranked 4th in sacks
Ranked 7th in TFL

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Let us know when we have NFL players at every spot on the field and in the two deep.

Yeah, let's run a D just because Bama can. What happened to adapting a D or an O for that matter to the abilities of your players. I will reserve future judgement on the influx of hopefully better talent with the incoming JUCO players in 2017. Simon is (maybe) becoming a DC with on the job training. It is what it is.

Coming up with 3 or 4 good cover corners next year would improve the defense as a whole by leaps and bounds, but it doesn't change the fact that the 2-gap 3-4 is a very difficult, complicated, demanding defense for us at the current point in time. Until I see otherwise, I'm going to continue believing we're voluntarily handicapping ourselves as long as we continue to try to run it.

When I first heard we were going to the 34 I thought we would bring hell from all different angles, It's just not happening.
I have no faith that Sirmon will turn this D around next season. Our players on D are not this bad. They look lost and unmotivated. It looks like there playing to about 50% of there potential.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Need a new locker room culture to win more than 6 next year. This program is soft, soft, soft. At very least, hopefully the JUCO guys will come in and create some intense competition and that makes everyone better.

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I really don't think we have an identity in our locker room. The OM game and A&M games were the only games where I felt we came out with a fire and played about as well as we could. We are not talented enough, yet, on this team to come out lifeless and expect to win by out talenting anyone. I can't remember the last time we played with an attacking defense. I don't know if we can get that toughness back with these assistants on D.

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Originally Posted by DudyDawg

Let us know when we have NFL players at every spot on the field and in the two deep.

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

We don't have Bama's players of course. I doubt a 3 - 4 especially under Sirmon will ever be successful for us. Thanks for your response to my questions. Hope I am proved wrong in 2017. Hail State and have a great 2017.

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Do we at any position? Who does have bama's players all across the board? Are you listening to yourself? So abandon a defense because we don't recruit as well as the top program in the nation.

1- We can stick to a 4-3 and struggle vs the spread or we can switch and better handle it. Therefore handling most teams that we will face.
2- We don't know what Sirmon can do because it's the first year this team has played a 3-4 under Mullen. Sirmon doesn't have a year under him in recruiting players he may need.


Bama switched to a 3-4 in 2007. Bama ranked 31st that season. The next season they jumped 3, then 2, and have pretty much stayed in the top from that point. Their 2007 classhad no 5 stars and only 3 4 stars.

Let's look at leading up to that change.

2004, no 5 stars and only 1 4 star signed(WR)
2005, no 5 stars, 1 4 star signed (SDE)
2006, no 5 stars, 1 4 star signed(RB)

Already told you 2007...

2008 1 5 star on defense..CB 9 4star players signed


So let's talk about those players that Bama gets and we don't? The difference wasn't just in coaching, but it was also the switch. Sirmon is working with far better talent than Bama had making the switch.

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Originally Posted by Sacrifice

When I first heard we were going to the 34 I thought we would bring hell from all different angles, It's just not happening.
I have no faith that Sirmon will turn this D around next season. Our players on D are not this bad. They look lost and unmotivated. It looks like there playing to about 50% of there potential.

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Agree, we play reactive, and slow. We have had plenty of defenses as bad as this one, that played with a lot more attitude...

These assistants remind me of Jackie's last couple of staffs. Probably the best we can get with paying the least in the SEC and Dan's alleged micro-managing. We need to pay what it takes and get a successful, veteran DC and let him do his thing.

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Originally Posted by Coach

Do we at any position? Who does have bama's players all across the board? Are you listening to yourself? So abandon a defense because we don't recruit as well as the top program in the nation.

1- We can stick to a 4-3 and struggle vs the spread or we can switch and better handle it. Therefore handling most teams that we will face.
2- We don't know what Sirmon can do because it's the first year this team has played a 3-4 under Mullen. Sirmon doesn't have a year under him in recruiting players he may need.


Bama switched to a 3-4 in 2007. Bama ranked 31st that season. The next season they jumped 3, then 2, and have pretty much stayed in the top from that point. Their 2007 classhad no 5 stars and only 3 4 stars.

Let's look at leading up to that change.

2004, no 5 stars and only 1 4 star signed(WR)
2005, no 5 stars, 1 4 star signed (SDE)
2006, no 5 stars, 1 4 star signed(RB)

Already told you 2007...

2008 1 5 star on defense..CB 9 4star players signed


So let's talk about those players that Bama gets and we don't? The difference wasn't just in coaching, but it was also the switch. Sirmon is working with far better talent than Bama had making the switch.

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Bama didn't just switch the the 3-4 in 07, they got the best coach in football. Again, lemme know when Saban and his classes walk through that door for us. You're trying to compare us, with a first year coordinator, to nick Saban. Get a grip.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Peter Sirmon's D may keep us from winning 6. He has got to go. Our defense is an embarrassment. Our O sucked today too, but the D sucked bad all year. Soft soft defense. I hate it.

We have no shot at 8 or more wins without MAJOR improvement on D. I don't think Sirmon can get it done

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Agree 100%. Hard to be fired up about next year at this point......unless the Juco's are major upgrades.

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Originally Posted by DudyDawg

Bama didn't just switch the the 3-4 in 07, they got the best coach in football. Again, lemme know when Saban and his classes walk through that door for us. You're trying to compare us, with a first year coordinator, to nick Saban. Get a grip.

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What you just stated is 100% false.

I showed you the talent they had on their team. So the whole "Lemme know when Saban and his classes" doesn't have a single thing to do with 2007 and 2008. We have a better talent pool than they did at the time they switched.

You fail to consider the effects of making that switch while losing that many dbs, the effects to the over all scheme when losing that many.

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Originally Posted by the59dawg

Got to have better corners in order to play better defense. Not good enough to play press defense, have to zone.

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We have no pass rush look at just about ever team that has good secondary they all have a good pass rush.

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Originally Posted by Coach

So the whole "Lemme know when Saban and his classes" doesn't have a single thing to do with 2007 and 2008..

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They didn't have Saban in 2007 and 2008?

One think is for sure we have got a long way to go before we are a good team.

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Originally Posted by dawg27

One think is for sure we have got a long way to go before we are a good team.

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As long as we stick with a guy who's never been a DC, we are only a few years away from being just like Alabama. After all, look what defense they run!

We are very confused on defense. You can see the players looking around throwing their hands up like they are not sure. It's been happening all year long. We have also been late getting personnel onto the field and in position out of dead ball situations. That has been happening all year long. That's coaching.

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Originally Posted by DudyDawg

They didn't have Saban in 2007 and 2008?

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You stated "Saban and his Classes"

Sirmon's defense is really really horrible against the pass, but they make up for it by being atrocious against the run and not tackling worth a shit.

Total defensive dumpster fire. WAY too much talent on that side to be as bad as we were/are. I just don't see how we could totally ruin guys like Richie, Gerri, & Brandon Bryant in one off season like that....seems you'd have to physically injure them to cause such a collapse in play. This 3-4 risk could ruin our defense for years to come...it was a failed experiment & poor decision imo. Time for Mullen to just admit that, part ways, and move on. Never dreamed I would be begging for a Geoff Collins or Diaz D this much so soon. We don't do a single thing well on D....don't press, don't cover, don't prevent the long catches, don't smother the short throws, don't cover tight ends, don't pressure the QB, don't stop the run, don't tackle well at all, don't make adjustments....NOTHING. I wish I could get paid $600K to do poorly in every phase of my job.

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Originally Posted by DudyDawg

As long as we stick with a guy who's never been a DC, we are only a few years away from being just like Alabama. After all, look what defense they run!

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Since we are talking about Bama and people who have never been a DC before, did you know that Saban hired a guy who had never been a DC before in 2007? But what does that have to do with anything right?

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Originally Posted by Coach

You stated "Saban and his Classes"

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I agree that losing DBs to injury hurt us- it would any team regardless of scheme. But you're defending sirmon by saying bama is the best defense in the country and runs the same D. It's asinine

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Originally Posted by Jacksondevildog

We are very confused on defense. You can see the players looking around throwing their hands up like they are not sure. It's been happening all year long. We have also been late getting personnel onto the field and in position out of dead ball situations. That has been happening all year long. That's coaching.

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That's players not knowing the system.