Random Poster's rumors from Fall camp

A) We are better coached on D than we have been in awhile. Sirmon impresses- as does the rest of the defensive staff. A couple people inside the building call this the best staff on D we have had under Mullen.

B) T-Buck promises he will find some better OL talent to recruit

C) Feeling is we will be improved on D

D) Our QB's look average at best.

E) The D is pounding the O's ass. The DL is wrecking shit

F) Gray is stepping up and gives us another weapon

G) Our OL should be at least slightly better

H) Green is a monster

I) Mullen wont risk an early season loss by starting Tiano to get his lumps. Feels Fitz and Williams can do enough to get by early on as they too get more experience. Got to go with experience- and they all need it.

J) Expect Holloway and Shump until the younger guys learn how to pass block.

I have a feeling that our running backs will suddenly learn how to pass block better when Shumpert and Holloway graduate.

And you think about it- both of our high school o-line commits are from Buckley's recruiting area. It's sad that he has to do Hevesey's job too.

How in the **** can Holloway pass block anybody but Aeris and D Lee cannot in Year 3?
Anybody remember the picture of Holloway trying to block Myles Garrett?

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Originally Posted by Dallas_Dawg

How in the **** can Holloway pass block anybody but Aeris and D Lee cannot in Year 3?
Anybody remember the picture of Holloway trying to block Myles Garrett?

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pass blocking is our excuse every year for why the younger RB's dont get time

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

pass blocking is our excuse every year for why the younger RB's dont get time

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Yeah, it's getting old. Our coaches error on the side of playing not to lose, rather than playing to win. It's why we beat who we should & lose games where are an underdog.

I just listened to Sallach's post-practice interview today & he went on & on about consistency, being reliable, & bring it every day. While in theory I agree with him, in practice it stops making sense when you don't have your most talented players on the field in favor of guys that just won't screw up.

There has to be a balance.

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

A) We are better coached on D than we have been in awhile. Sirmon impresses- as does the rest of the defensive staff. A couple people inside the building call this the best staff on D we have had under Mullen.

B) T-Buck promises he will find some better OL talent to recruit

C) Feeling is we will be improved on D

D) Our QB's look average at best.

E) The D is pounding the O's ass. The DL is wrecking shit

F) Gray is stepping up and gives us another weapon

G) Our OL should be at least slightly better

H) Green is a monster

I) Mullen wont risk an early season loss by starting Tiano to get his lumps. Feels Fitz and Williams can do enough to get by early on as they too get more experience. Got to go with experience- and they all need it.

J) Expect Holloway and Shump until the younger guys learn how to pass block.

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You forgot....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVGbDEAnDyo

As for the QBs being average, my hope is that someone will win the team over once real games start

I heard AK Kelly should have been from California....California. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

zero reason for what you wrote in the post I edited.

You can't tell me a 150lb Holloway can pass block better the rest of them. Same bullshit excuse every year

I can understand shump being a good blocker. And this is no offense to Holloway. But Williams and Lee would at least alter the path of Gerri Green on a blitz. Holloway is nothing more then a speed bump back there.

I re watch all the games last season and Holloway got better each game. I expect big things out of him this season.

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

I re watch all the games last season and Holloway got better each game. I expect big things out of him this season.

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Really. Gimme Holloway over Shump any day.

I think I tried to defend Shump at the beginning of last year. I won't do it again... Unless he's turned into Derrick Henry I really don't want to see him as an Rb.

As far as running back goes. I have no idea why Shump thinks he can cut and spin like that in the backfield. You can't, dude. We all love you, but please just suck it up and be the fullback you were always meant to be. His lateral movements are soooo slooooooowwwwww. He looks like he's running in concrete when he tries to juke and cut. And for some reason, he cannot find the open field. That was something JRob, pain the rear end he's been lately, could absolutely do. It was something Ballard could do and Myles and Holloway can do it some. Ballard and Robinson just had noses for running to space. Once they broke the line, they ran were the defense wasn't.

Go back and watch Auburn, LSU, and ATM circa 2014. I have never seen a finer performance by a tailback in MSU history, and that included AD in his prime. JRob just knew instinctively where to go. We don't have that now.

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

I re watch all the games last season and Holloway got better each game. I expect big things out of him this season.

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Yeah, Holloway doesn't bother me. He's not terribly different than some of the Oregon running backs like D'Anthony Thomas or Kenjon Barner. I think Holloway is fine between the 20s, but we've got to add a truck horse that can convert 3rd & 3.

Unless Shump has increased a grade in athleticism, speed, & lightness on his feet, I have no interest

The problem with Shump is that this isn't a situation where he has to "learn", stop fumbling, etc.... these aren't correctable problems. He has physical limitations

Gee Random, you sure know a lot for a Taco Bell manager.

But, I agree with Beaver, if Shump gets tackled by a hash mark every other down this season I'm gonna scream.

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Gee Random, you sure know a lot for a Taco Bell manager.

But, I agree with Beaver, if Shump gets tackled by a hash mark every other down this season I'm gonna scream.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Yeah, Holloway doesn't bother me. He's not terribly different than some of the Oregon running backs like D'Anthony Thomas or Kenjon Barner. I think Holloway is fine between the 20s, but we've got to add a truck horse that can convert 3rd & 3.

Unless Shump has increased a grade in athleticism, speed, & lightness on his feet, I have no interest

The problem with Shump is that this isn't a situation where he has to "learn", stop fumbling, etc.... these aren't correctable problems. He has physical limitations

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Shumpert has no vision at all. I re watched all of our games and time and time again shumpert missed the hole. One play against auburn really stands out. The right side of our ol collapsed the auburn DL, bear had the corner sealed and shump had 15 yards before he would've been touched. Instead he cuts back left runs into dak and gets tackled for an 8 yard loss. Our ol weren't world beaters but shump made them look much worse when he ran the ball. He missed the hole 80% of the time.

If QB's were just average I don't think a 6'5" 240 pound QB who runs like a deer would leave. I think it's a sign that he was being left behind and Tiano is pushing everyone for the starting spot.

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

He missed the hole 80% of the time.

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A lot of that was due to running with his head down. I swear he's looking at his feet before he reaches the line of scrimmage. I bet he's hell in the tire drills.

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

If QB's were just average I don't think a 6'5" 240 pound QB who runs like a deer would leave. I think it's a sign that he was being left behind and Tiano is pushing everyone for the starting spot.

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^^^this!! That's the only thing I disagree with in the original post. Mullen hasn't had QB "clay" like this since Alex Smith. He's going to mold Fitz AND Tiano into NFL QBs.

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Originally Posted by Mjoelner34

A lot of that was due to running with his head down. I swear he's looking at his feet before he reaches the line of scrimmage. I bet he's hell in the tire drills.

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Absolutely correct, never seen a back reach this level with so poor fundamentals running the football. Now I do give shump props for his effort and playing hard and the dude is a good blocker. He just ain't a feature back. And the tire drill stuff is hilarious!

One thing I will say about Shump.. In the bowl game He ran like we all thought he could coming in. Like a Mack truck.

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

If QB's were just average I don't think a 6'5" 240 pound QB who runs like a deer would leave.

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I'm confused? Staley was not a good runner at all and has knee problems. He ran more like Tyler Russell than a deer.

I'm just relaying what someone said from practice

Correct, Staley could not run.....he was the slowest runner of the group with a huge arm. And loooooooong wind up

This team is and is going to be much more talented than most think...

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Originally Posted by mic

This team is and is going to be much more talented than most think...

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Let's hope that the players have that same confidence

I am trying to work on my negativity.....


...But I'm not there yet.

I am so sick of seeing better RB's wasting away on our bench until their Junior year (or until they leave) while we keep playing the "veteran that knows how to pass block" card with Holloway & Shumpert. Shumpert & Holloway are 100% NOT the answer at RB...so why are we wasting needed reps for guys that CAN be the answer? Holloway will do his usual good performances against South Alabama & other schools that he should be playing for, and Shumpert will continue to play great on Special Teams but like he's blindfolded & in quick sand at RB. It's time to freaking cut bait and let Aeris, Lee, Gibson, and Murphy have a shot at being the guys we recruited them to be. These guys badly need to be each given a quarter in those first games so they will be ready for big games. Please let's quit banging our heads into the wall with Shumpert & Holloway.

Oh, & whoever compared Holloway to some of the recent upper echelon Oregon RB's should receive a 1 week ban for insulting those Oregon RB's.

Of course Mullen is going to be the one to make me have to refocus on my attempts to become more positive. He's the dumbest smart guy I've ever seen.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

I am trying to work on my negativity.....


...But I'm not there yet.

I am so sick of seeing better RB's wasting away on our bench until their Junior year (or until they leave) while we keep playing the "veteran that knows how to pass block" card with Holloway & Shumpert. Shumpert & Holloway are 100% NOT the answer at RB...so why are we wasting needed reps for guys that CAN be the answer? Holloway will do his usual good performances against South Alabama & other schools that he should be playing for, and Shumpert will continue to play great on Special Teams but like he's blindfolded & in quick sand at RB. It's time to freaking cut bait and let Aeris, Lee, Gibson, and Murphy have a shot at being the guys we recruited them to be. These guys badly need to be each given a quarter in those first games so they will be ready for big games. Please let's quit banging our heads into the wall with Shumpert & Holloway.

Oh, & whoever compared Holloway to some of the recent upper echelon Oregon RB's should receive a 1 week ban for insulting those Oregon RB's.

Of course Mullen is going to be the one to make me have to refocus on my attempts to become more positive. He's the dumbest smart guy I've ever seen.

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So are you saying we should have a running game?

And the agenda begins again.......

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Originally Posted by Bothrops

So are you saying we should have a running game?

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I think he's saying we should see if we can have a running game by sorting out backs by talent and potential rather than by if they need a fake ID to buy a cold one.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

I am trying to work on my negativity.....


...But I'm not there yet.

I am so sick of seeing better RB's wasting away on our bench until their Junior year (or until they leave) while we keep playing the "veteran that knows how to pass block" card with Holloway & Shumpert. Shumpert & Holloway are 100% NOT the answer at RB...so why are we wasting needed reps for guys that CAN be the answer? Holloway will do his usual good performances against South Alabama & other schools that he should be playing for, and Shumpert will continue to play great on Special Teams but like he's blindfolded & in quick sand at RB. It's time to freaking cut bait and let Aeris, Lee, Gibson, and Murphy have a shot at being the guys we recruited them to be. These guys badly need to be each given a quarter in those first games so they will be ready for big games. Please let's quit banging our heads into the wall with Shumpert & Holloway.

Oh, & whoever compared Holloway to some of the recent upper echelon Oregon RB's should receive a 1 week ban for insulting those Oregon RB's.

Of course Mullen is going to be the one to make me have to refocus on my attempts to become more positive. He's the dumbest smart guy I've ever seen.

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Me too! Sick and tired of a continual repeat of this scenario that is.

2015 Rb stats

Aeris...
40 rushes 206 yds
6 rec 18 yds
46 touches 224 yds 4.87 yds/touch

Holloway...
92 rushes 413 yds
33 rec 396 yds
125 touches 809 yds 6.47 yds/touch

Shump...
59 rushes 228 yds
13 rec 101 yds
72 touches 337 yds 4.68 yds/touch

Lee...
22 rushes 137 yds
2 rec 15 yds
24 touches 152 yds 6.33 yds/touch

I guess you could say Lee needed for touches to see if he could maintain that avg/touch. Overall though, I think the most productive player (Holloway) got the most touches and his production says he deserved them

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Originally Posted by msstate7

2015 Rb stats

Aeris...
40 rushes 206 yds
6 rec 18 yds
46 touches 224 yds 4.87 yds/touch

Holloway...
92 rushes 413 yds
33 rec 396 yds
125 touches 809 yds 6.47 yds/touch

Shump...
59 rushes 228 yds
13 rec 101 yds
72 touches 337 yds 4.68 yds/touch

Lee...
22 rushes 137 yds
2 rec 15 yds
24 touches 152 yds 6.33 yds/touch

I guess you could say Lee needed for touches to see if he could maintain that avg/touch. Overall though, I think the most productive player (Holloway) got the most touches and his production says he deserved them

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Stats are deceiving. We need a RB that can play RB. Holloway is a decent pass catcher out of the backfield, and can break a decent run here and there....but lining up against Bama, LSU, and even Ole Miss and teams like that in this league with Holloway & Shumpert, will Not get it done. Period.

Everybody knows it. They both work hard and I like them...they just aren't SEC running backs. There is really no debating it. Holloway can play 3rd down back, but it's still not ideal in SEC West games bc he is too small & is a liability with the ball in his hands for that reason alone....and Shumpert is a fullback.

Thing about Shump is he's not even that great of a blocker either. Yeah he's strong and aggressive, but he gets absolutely embarrassed at times despite that.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

2015 Rb stats

Aeris...
40 rushes 206 yds
6 rec 18 yds
46 touches 224 yds 4.87 yds/touch

Holloway...
92 rushes 413 yds
33 rec 396 yds
125 touches 809 yds 6.47 yds/touch

Shump...
59 rushes 228 yds
13 rec 101 yds
72 touches 337 yds 4.68 yds/touch

Lee...
22 rushes 137 yds
2 rec 15 yds
24 touches 152 yds 6.33 yds/touch

I guess you could say Lee needed for touches to see if he could maintain that avg/touch. Overall though, I think the most productive player (Holloway) got the most touches and his production says he deserved them

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But when you look at their main job, running, Holloway is no longer on top.

Aeris - 5.15ypc
Holloway - 4.47ypc
Shump - 3.86ypc
Lee - 6.22ypc

I'm not saying there isn't a role for Holloway in the offense, but as your stats show, they are more as a receiver than a RB. He is not an SEC RB. With his size and speed he needs to be mainly running the jet sweeps and catching the ball on screens. Aeris and Lee are our RB's from last year. They are the ones you give it to on 4 and 2 with the game on the line because they can move the pile to get that crucial first down. I know Lee was rumored to be in Dan's dog house most of last year and that may have kept him off the field more than what was planned, but out of the guys on this list, he has shown the most potential. Games in the SEC are not routinely won with a RB that barely outweighs a cheerleader. They are won with a guy that can lower his shoulder and put a LB on his ass.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Stats are deceiving. We need a RB that can play RB. Holloway is a decent pass catcher out of the backfield, and can break a decent run here and there....but lining up against Bama, LSU, and even Ole Miss and teams like that in this league with Holloway & Shumpert, will Not get it done. Period.

Everybody knows it. They both work hard and I like them...they just aren't SEC running backs. There is really no debating it. Holloway can play 3rd down back, but it's still not ideal in SEC West games bc he is too small & is a liability with the ball in his hands for that reason alone....and Shumpert is a fullback.

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Maybe so, but we were a bad 2-pt conversion pass to shump away from beating lsu last year. We had the right guy (shump) on the right play, but again, a bad pass...

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Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg34

But when you look at their main job, running, Holloway is no longer on top.

Aeris - 5.15ypc
Holloway - 4.47ypc
Shump - 3.86ypc
Lee - 6.22ypc

I'm not saying there isn't a role for Holloway in the offense, but as your stats show, they are more as a receiver than a RB. He is not an SEC RB. With his size and speed he needs to be mainly running the jet sweeps and catching the ball on screens. Aeris and Lee are our RB's from last year. They are the ones you give it to on 4 and 2 with the game on the line because they can move the pile to get that crucial first down. I know Lee was rumored to be in Dan's dog house most of last year and that may have kept him off the field more than what was planned, but out of the guys on this list, he has shown the most potential. Games in the SEC are not routinely won with a RB that barely outweighs a cheerleader. They are won with a guy that can lower his shoulder and put a LB on his ass.

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We were a passing team though last year. If we were better at run blocking last year, I think aeris' rushing totals would've went up.

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Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg34

But when you look at their main job, running, Holloway is no longer on top.

Aeris - 5.15ypc
Holloway - 4.47ypc
Shump - 3.86ypc
Lee - 6.22ypc

I'm not saying there isn't a role for Holloway in the offense, but as your stats show, they are more as a receiver than a RB. He is not an SEC RB. With his size and speed he needs to be mainly running the jet sweeps and catching the ball on screens. Aeris and Lee are our RB's from last year. They are the ones you give it to on 4 and 2 with the game on the line because they can move the pile to get that crucial first down. I know Lee was rumored to be in Dan's dog house most of last year and that may have kept him off the field more than what was planned, but out of the guys on this list, he has shown the most potential. Games in the SEC are not routinely won with a RB that barely outweighs a cheerleader. They are won with a guy that can lower his shoulder and put a LB on his ass.

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This is nice, but also lets look at the fumbles per touch ratio as well. Its the whole risk/reward thing.

Love talking stats. As I've always been told there's liars, damn liars, and statistics.