Word is we had a deal with O and all was well until LSU came into the picture. O played the middle for a few days...Mullen said screw that and moved on to Manny. Look for Manny to be the guy.
Word is we had a deal with O and all was well until LSU came into the picture. O played the middle for a few days...Mullen said screw that and moved on to Manny. Look for Manny to be the guy.
That's what I had been speculating just had no info to that fact. If that is truly what went down. It's very plausible.
Come on O. LSU will not have an offense that can take the pressure off the d.
Mullen's ego kept us from getting Coach O? Color me shocked*
In all seriousness, I'm fine with Manny.
I think Coach O does nothing for LSU. He is only good for recruiting not coaching and LSU does not need a recruiter. They are going to get the Louisiana kids they want with or with out him. I don't think Coach O is a plus for them. He would be for us because of his recruiting.
I'm will Mullen. If your guy is waffling or isnt 100% sure he wants to be there- move on to someone that doesQuote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
"11th hour" shit get's MSU every time.
Sounds like it's Mullen, not O. If Dan thinks a Louisiana native should just ignore a potential offer from LSU bc MSU is interested...well, that's Dan for you. Sometimes the things I love about him are also the things that piss me off the most.Quote:
Originally Posted by archdog
I'm fine with Mullen handling it this way. Also seems to line up with the insiders saying Mullen was wanting to see who wanted to be here more. Of course this is still all just speculation but if O did start trying play off both sides then this can happen.
I'm fine with that...but he wasn't waffling between us and Louisiana Lafayette...he was waffling between us and a traditional power. Try making a sales pitch, not just throw your hands up and say we'll go with plan B.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Actually, they have lost a few top guys to Alabama and Texas A&M recently. I think that is part of why they have gone from 10-11 wins to 8. And honestly I wouldn't want to play for Miles either personally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
Coach O may be jobless again if he was playing that gameQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Well of course Manny wants to be here more...his choices are La Tech or MSU. Orgeron has better choices. Does that mean because CadaverDawg wants the job more than Manny, I should get it? Why not fight for the guy you want? Maybe we did thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Competition guys. It was sad Mullen wanted someone who wants to be at Msu. What 34 says is correct, O did this to himself, when he wavered Mullen did the right thing cause O wasn't completely sold on Msu. I wanted O but Manny wanted this job more than O and I'm for that!
Really? 34's info seemed totally opposite to me. Seemed like it was more O. We had already agreed, LSU happens and O backs out or wants to revisit. Most everybody wanted this done sooner but then you have the guy possibly throwing a monkey wrench into the deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
What were mannys defenses ranked while here? If it's him, the talent will better. Will he have to be that much better than he was when he was here or will he automatically be an improvement over Collins?
We've got to protect ourselves. If we wait on LSU Manny might end up at Washington State.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Well I agree with that. Again we don't know if that did not happen and we were still getting the run around.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Yea but at LSU he's not a DC candidate it's for DL Coach. If that's a decision you have to agonize over I don't mind moving on IF that's the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Well, many here have said we wanted someone that wants to be at MSU awhile and not just 1 and done. O wavering over a DL job at LSU shows he wasnt interested in being here for the long haul. I think Mullen handled it the way he should have.
TrueQuote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
You mean the guy that already left and told us he didn't want to be here? You can't say that him leaving the first time is a "business decision" but when O does the same thing, but say its a sign of no-loyalty and that he didn't buy 100% into what we are trying to sell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Good pointQuote:
Originally Posted by Big4Dawg
Let's not forget, the LSU deal may be several more days before its done. You want to wait on them for the chance to get O? People are ready for us to name a guy now. At some point it sounds like a second pitch was made but O had to have a time limit. We wait and still don't get him, man Dan would have got hammered for that as well.
No matter what happens somebody won't like it & somebody will be upset.
Yea, as long as Mullen made a second attempt or put a time limit, I'm cool with it. We'll never know, but it wouldn't totally shock me if as soon as Mullen heard O was speaking with LSU, Dan said "F that" and called Manny to offer the job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Manny got a 110% raise to leave StateQuote:
Originally Posted by Big4Dawg
O was waffling over a lesser job and less money
Thats a big difference to me
Damn, if I was making $240 million a year and someone says "come work for me I will pay you $750 million" and you can move from Starkville to Austin you wouldn't go because your loyal? Bullcrap!
Yep. I'm totally fine with Manny or O....I just hope Dan's ego didn't keep us from getting the guy he thought was the better fit. But either way, we will be fine defensively.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
O has never been here and is trying for a DC but is playing the middle for a DL job at a bigger program. Different scenarios altogether.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big4Dawg
I can't believe this thread. You realize that Diaz ALREADY was 1 and done and already PROVED he didn't want to be at MSU? Yes, he doubled his salary in the process, I get that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
But when O does it, we say "he wasn't interested in being here for the long haul". If what everyone is saying is true about $$$, sounds like he would have made more money at LSU as DL coach than here as DC. But yet, we fault O for giving a couple days to think about it?
Ha, you mean 240k to 750k? I hope we aren't over paying that much for a DC! HahaQuote:
Originally Posted by basedog
If the money part is true, and I find that hard to believe, than it probably has to do with his family already being in LA. Hard to fault him for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I really doubt that. He has didn't do that with Collins last year and got him a good raise. As always let his coaches leave only when they have secured another job. He has always shown to be very fair to other coaches in the hiring and firing aspect.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
LSU would likely pay O just as much to coach DL as we would to be our DC.
Mullen has to learn to not let his ego get in the way of making business decisions. If O was #1 that's who he should hire. Just because O was weighing his options doesn't mean we should tell him to **** off. No matter how much Stricklin and Mullen preach it, we are not lateral to Florida or LSU. Not right now.
Well, one thing is for sure....The life expectancy of a MSU DC is not very long if you don't perform, and not only that, but the fan base will not be fully unified and ecstatic about Diaz right off the bat. Therefore, he will have plenty of pressure on him to perform at a high level immediately. Not to mention he will have a roster loaded with talent. I like that combination.
I think Manny will do a great job, and I am in full support of him if he is named DC. Hopefully everyone will be.
O waffling forces Mullen to look at Diaz closer and when you look at Diaz closer he appears to be the better hire. Happened to most of us too. At first I wanted O but then after looking at Diaz's rankings at LTech and that he knows how we work already and that the best part of O is his name and recruiting I think it quickly leans in Diaz favor as the better hire. Still want both though.
Good points Cadaver
I definitely warmed up to the Diaz hire when I looked at what happened after Texas. He seems to do well with players that are willing to put in the work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Being ranked #1 in interceptions, #2 in TFL, #5 in turnover margin and #16 in sacks cured my doubts.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg