I?m sorry. No offense to him but that was a huge error.
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I?m sorry. No offense to him but that was a huge error.
I loved Leach. Hated his offense at times, but some games like tonight I wish we would go full air raid dink and dunk.
To your point, Texas Tech is just now recovering. And only because of NIL.
No. The problem is he passed away and we hired Arnett.
That set us back years!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Keenum. We have him to thank.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Not to get into a whole air raid argument , but last night I was thinking how Leach's wide offensive line splits slow down a more talented D line, and that we have a QB that would want to take more vertical shots downfield in the system.
It is a talent equalizer.
One problem with air raid is TOP. You think our D was tired last night. Our D got better once air raid was out of our system.Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
We needed to run the ball, run clock and give our D a breather. It worked until we kept forcing the long pass.
This is correct. The lack of recruiting combined with NIL kicking in full bore left us with a very very tall hill to climb. Our league is brutal.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheewgumm
Pretty much everything Cohen did as our AD was a huge error. Jans may actually be the only exception.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheewgumm
We won SEC games with the Air Raid, or more about the Air Raid coach being the big reason. And we were not really running full Air Raid with Rogers's lack of arm strength.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
That coaching staff and Chief of staff for Leach were not that good on recruiting and that policy of don't offer until they have a D1 offer (or whatever they did), and lost some MS recruits.
Air Raid can control TOP, and we usually did that. But the staff recruiting was really bad for sure.
We do need an equalizer for our offense against these SEC stacked up NIL teams.
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Originally Posted by Todd4State
Arnett was way over his head! Hired maybe the worse staff ever at Msu. Lied to players and couldn't recruit even as an assistant.
You guys blaming Lebby for being bad have lost your mind. He inherited a terrible situation, not only that we are still in a building process. We are better but with injuries and lack of talent on offense along with not much talent depth is showing. Btw, yes Lebby makes mistakes, but this team is still playing hard.
Lebby has proven to me that he is a pretty good coach. The question is going to be whether or not he can recruit. I?m not even sure you can blame recruiting issues on him though because of NIL and even though ours is not terrible, it is no where near the top half of the SEC. Because he is a good coach and getting the most out of his players, it makes our talent deficiency more clear. Hopefully if our fans see that we can at least compete that they will go all in like Ole Miss, although I am skeptical
You have a short memory. Remember us not being able to block 3 with 5? Remember us never taking shots and all we did was get running backs blown up (like last night).Quote:
Originally Posted by Santiago
I remember during Leach's seasons, seeing guys open downfield and the QB not pulling the trigger or having the arm strength to hit tight windows.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
But I also do remember winning games, having winning seasons while half our fanbase complained at how we were winning was not exciting enough.
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Originally Posted by Todd4State
We will be blaming the Mike Leach hire for the next decade. Never mind the fact that every team has to overhaul their roster due to the transfer portal, regardless of recruiting rankings. Anyone that would have been worth a shit while Leach was here would have been long gone by now.
But yeah, it is because of the Leach hire.
My family and I sat in Raymond James Stadium on January 2, 2023, watching Mike Leach's #24 ranked team beat a BIG10 Illinois squad 19-10. 22 days after Mike died.
yeah, but did thy RTDF? ***Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton
There weren?t very many other options when we hired Leach but the mess we are digging out of is Keenums mess because he hired Arnett instead of doing a national search or consulting with others. We could?ve hired Lebby in 2023 or someone at least qualified
Biggest issue was how we got left at the starting gate by the rest of the SEC with NIL and a coach bought into NIL. That's how OM got the separation from us we are experiencing today. I put most of that blame on Cohen because he didn't have a clue how to market and fund raise and didn't put any emphasis on NIL itself or a coach's ability to use NIL when hiring a coach. Thankful Selmon has helped us dig out of a massive NIL and fundraising hole.Quote:
Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG
The message that came out was we were trying to keep the class. But whatever the reason for it, that Keenum decision was an unmitigated disaster.Quote:
Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG
It was 13-10 prior to the last play of the game...Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton
Don't pee on my memories Beard. LOL!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
Shoot, his defenses were often better than his offenses here, not sure what you are talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
Hiring Leach was a great move, this is nonsense.
Hiring Leach was a big gamble that didn't quite pan out. He was the Air Raid guru and not going to someone off his tree, or close to it, was a huge mistake on Keenum's part.
Of course my take has always been, and always will be, it all started with Moorhead. His Zips won their second game of the season yesterday against Central Michigan.
So you're saying he's on the upswing. *****Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
Arnette made Croom look like Saban.Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
At least Sly could handle himself appropriately on national TV. *****Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
Bingo Todd!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Our problem is Leach died. Then we hired a guy who didn't want the job, but couldn't turn it down. If Kiffin had croaked, Ole Miss would very likely be in our current shoes, but with a better outlook.
Out of our entire coaching staff who had more years coaching than Arnett, why did we pick him over all the others, for at least a one season transition. I was for a national coach search, but we had no AD. .... but still, the fascination with Arnett by the decision makers was just the stupidest thing ever. Hiring a DC with basically a couple years at best experience as DC on their own, to take over an SEC program.
Other option on staff I guess would have been Spurrier Jr. but he didn't seem to get much consideration for whatever reason. The plus had we gone with him was that the offense would likely have been kept mostly intact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santiago
That whole situation was very booster driven. Bottom line is they took advantage of the situation to get what they wanted- got it and ****ed up our football program. There has been a lot of cover run for them ranging from "what else where we supposed to do?" To we had to keep the recruiting class together to blaming Keenum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santiago
If it were me I would have offered Steve Spurrier, Sr, Bob Stoops, or someone like that our job and Leach's contract as an interim or even full time. Would have gotten us a quality coach and time to reset.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
Heck- would have been better off hiring Rockey Felker than Arnett.
Or better off- accelerate hiring Selmon and let him hire Lebby. Tell him that he can hire whoever he wants and get his guy right off the bat.
Incorrect. Arnett inherited a roster devoid of any talent. That's on Leach. Doesn't mean Arnett was any good, but Nick Saban wouldn't have won more than 4 games with that roster. That is Leach's entire history: Recruit guys for his very specific, and by that time outdated, system that's unfit for anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
No disrespect but to say a roster devoid of talent is either delusional, denial or just willful ignorance.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
Yeah. Teams that return most of their players back after they won 9 games and return most of their players are "devoid of talent".Quote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
Getting players in space to make plays is never gong to be antiquated.
They're still mad that Leach proved their theory that all Mississippi State can do to win games is run the ball completely false.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton
It's not a coincidence that the coache MSU hired ran an offense that is on the Air Raid tree.
Leach catching strays for something he had no control over.