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08-22-2019, 08:03 PM
dantheman4248

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Originally Posted by Coach34

or they could take the test while said player was in Arkansas warming up for the game. Then said tutor gets called in and squeals like a pig about his money-making scheme off the players. Admin doesnt cover up- they investigate and make sure all is found and then sings like a bird to the NCAA and begs forgiveness. 10 players 8 games each says the NCAA. It's a killer to the DT position and hurts depth every Sat. Holy Lord dont let us get a DT hurt

So you’re saying this is stuff that happened under Mullen?
08-22-2019, 08:03 PM
FriarsPoint

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Originally Posted by Coach34

or they could take the test while said player was in Arkansas warming up for the game. Then said tutor gets called in and squeals like a pig about his money-making scheme off the players. Admin doesnt cover up- they investigate and make sure all is found and then sings like a bird to the NCAA and begs forgiveness. 10 players 8 games each says the NCAA. It's a killer to the DT position and hurts depth every Sat. Holy Lord dont let us get a DT hurt

Then what the hell was the whole NCAA case(and defeat) against UNC all about? This is a serious case of sticking your finger in the socket. I’m not so sure I wouldn’t play em anyway.
08-22-2019, 08:10 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by dantheman4248

So you’re saying this is stuff that happened under Mullen?

I'm saying this is why we have 10 players suspended plus a basketball player. All after Mullen left.
08-22-2019, 08:27 PM
dawgs

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Originally Posted by MarketingBully

Dumb shit is maybe one or two tops but this tutor ?helped? at least 11 or so according to these guys on here. That?s more then some dumb indiscretion and someone in the admin should pay for this shit. If you are bad at your job you shouldn?t be rewarded for it.

If the below is true, then where was the evidence prior to the Arkansas game that there was cheating? If the higher ups immediately investigated at the first smell of bullshit, then there's no need to start firing people. Sometimes folks cover shit up pretty well and no one could reasonably know what's going on without privacy violations, it's when the evidence comes out, did they respond or ignore it/bury it/become complicit in it that should determine whether one is fired or not for hiring a ****ing student tutor.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

or they could take the test while said player was in Arkansas warming up for the game. Then said tutor gets called in and squeals like a pig about his money-making scheme off the players. Admin doesnt cover up- they investigate and make sure all is found and then sings like a bird to the NCAA and begs forgiveness. 10 players 8 games each says the NCAA. It's a killer to the DT position and hurts depth every Sat. Holy Lord dont let us get a DT hurt
08-22-2019, 08:29 PM
RocketDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

or they could take the test while said player was in Arkansas warming up for the game. Then said tutor gets called in and squeals like a pig about his money-making scheme off the players. Admin doesnt cover up- they investigate and make sure all is found and then sings like a bird to the NCAA and begs forgiveness. 10 players 8 games each says the NCAA. It's a killer to the DT position and hurts depth every Sat. Holy Lord dont let us get a DT hurt

If the tutor and player just had to cheat on tests, sounds like the tutor needed tutoring on when to take the tests for them. Might be lucky it was just suspensions instead of being kicked off the team and/or out of school.
08-22-2019, 08:34 PM
mparkerfd20

Personally I don't give a shit if they cheated. They aren't there for education anyway. They are there to play football and football only. Cut out all the bullshit and stop forcing them to get an education if they don't want one while the school makes millions off their play.
08-22-2019, 08:35 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by mparkerfd20

Personally I don't give a shit if they cheated. They aren't there for education anyway. They are there to play football and football only. Cut out all the bullshit and stop forcing them to get an education if they don't want one while the school makes millions off their play.

Oh my...
08-22-2019, 08:37 PM
dantheman4248

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I'm saying this is why we have 10 players suspended plus a basketball player. All after Mullen left.

Well Nick was held out of that game "AT ARKANSAS" (and every game thereafter) so you're telling me this all came up on a Saturday (no way that teacher is looking at the times those tests are taken on a saturday in feb AND able to get the coach's attention to hold him out) or the "AT ARKANSAS" was in 2017-2018.

Orrrrrr you're "at arkansas" comment is wrong.
08-22-2019, 08:43 PM
Captain Falcon

You people saying we should?ve told the NCAA to suck it know full and well that could?ve easily blown up in our face. Right about the time we did that would?ve been the time they decided to really crack down on cases like UNC. Sure let?s go fight the NCAA and drag this thing out like Ole Miss did. Some of y?all are too mad about them not getting the death penalty to realize that the NCAA did a lot of damage. They went from playing in back to back NY6 games to three straight losing seasons, significantly worse recruiting classes for multiple years, and having to promote their mediocre OL coach to head man. And there?s a good chance they will be really bad this year.

Our situation sucks, and I?m not saying Bracky is perfect, but he?s in a position where he?s going to be the bad guy no matter what. He?s trying to save us from getting hammered by the NCAA, and he?s done a good job of that in the last decade or so. It starts and stops with the players involved. You don?t want to be suspended? Don?t freaking cheat, or if you have to cheat, don?t be a moron about it.
08-22-2019, 08:45 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by mparkerfd20

Personally I don't give a shit if they cheated. They aren't there for education anyway. They are there to play football and football only. Cut out all the bullshit and stop forcing them to get an education if they don't want one while the school makes millions off their play.

I see what your saying.

I think some of these universities would be better off offering trade school educations to athletes. Welders can make some serious money. Travelling welders even more and underwater welders are in high demand and can make six figures easy. If baseball or football players wants to major in astrophysics or nuclear engineering more power to them but I think universities should offer trade degrees.
08-22-2019, 08:54 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by dantheman4248

Well Nick was held out of that game "AT ARKANSAS" (and every game thereafter) so you're telling me this all came up on a Saturday (no way that teacher is looking at the times those tests are taken on a saturday in feb AND able to get the coach's attention to hold him out) or the "AT ARKANSAS" was in 2017-2018.

Orrrrrr you're "at arkansas" comment is wrong.

I'm telling you that Nick Weatherspoon took a test on Saturday while he was on a trip to Arkansas. He dressed out and was warming up for the game-then Howland was called and told he couldnt play Nick that night. Then they grilled the tutor and found out the rest of the info.

And here we are
08-22-2019, 09:03 PM
dantheman4248

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I'm telling you that Nick Weatherspoon took a test on Saturday while he was on a trip to Arkansas. He dressed out and was warming up for the game-then Howland was called and told he couldnt play Nick that night. Then they grilled the tutor and found out the rest of the info.

And here we are

And I'm telling you that that story does not add up. At all.

Take a big step back and ask yourself how does that Saturday really go down. Seriously I want you to think about what that story says.

You have to A. have Nick doing something basketball related at that moment and provable that he wasn't taking the test himself., B. The tutor taking the test on a Saturday (Yikes)., C. Someone in authority (ie the teacher) CHECKING this stuff on a Saturday., D. The teacher (or whomever) having a way to quickly get word to Howland on a Saturday while he is out of town on a gameday., E. A way to verify all of this minutes before the game (why would they even expect cheating??)

Do you see where there is way too many coincidences going on there? Not saying there wasn't cheating going on. That much I'm sure. But it sounds a lot more like the tutor went vindictive towards nick over something and sang like a bird to said teacher / authority when they intentionally took the test during a time he could not possibly have taken it and intentionally tried to sabatoge him. Which one sounds more plausible?
08-22-2019, 09:14 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by dantheman4248

And I'm telling you that that story does not add up. At all.

Take a big step back and ask yourself how does that Saturday really go down. Seriously I want you to think about what that story says.

You have to A. have Nick doing something basketball related at that moment and provable that he wasn't taking the test himself., B. The tutor taking the test on a Saturday (Yikes)., C. Someone in authority (ie the teacher) CHECKING this stuff on a Saturday., D. The teacher (or whomever) having a way to quickly get word to Howland on a Saturday while he is out of town on a gameday., E. A way to verify all of this minutes before the game (why would they even expect cheating??)

Do you see where there is way too many coincidences going on there? Not saying there wasn't cheating going on. That much I'm sure. But it sounds a lot more like the tutor went vindictive towards nick over something and sang like a bird to said teacher / authority when they intentionally took the test during a time he could not possibly have taken it and intentionally tried to sabatoge him. Which one sounds more plausible?

I'm just telling you what happened. Nick was going to play vs UPig and Howland was called and told Nick was sitting because of an issue. The issue was the tutor and it mushroomed elsewhere. Here we are. The NCAA ruled on it and its done. We move on
08-22-2019, 09:15 PM
RocketDawg

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Originally Posted by dantheman4248

And I'm telling you that that story does not add up. At all.

Take a big step back and ask yourself how does that Saturday really go down. Seriously I want you to think about what that story says.

You have to A. have Nick doing something basketball related at that moment and provable that he wasn't taking the test himself., B. The tutor taking the test on a Saturday (Yikes)., C. Someone in authority (ie the teacher) CHECKING this stuff on a Saturday., D. The teacher (or whomever) having a way to quickly get word to Howland on a Saturday while he is out of town on a gameday., E. A way to verify all of this minutes before the game (why would they even expect cheating??)

Do you see where there is way too many coincidences going on there? Not saying there wasn't cheating going on. That much I'm sure. But it sounds a lot more like the tutor went vindictive towards nick over something and sang like a bird to said teacher / authority when they intentionally took the test during a time he could not possibly have taken it and intentionally tried to sabatoge him. Which one sounds more plausible?

Not really. Seems like it would be easy to input all the athletes' names into the computerized system, and if they're taking tests at impossible times then it spits their names out in a hurry. Then the manual checking starts.
08-22-2019, 09:40 PM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I'm just telling you what happened. Nick was going to play vs UPig and Howland was called and told Nick was sitting because of an issue. The issue was the tutor and it mushroomed elsewhere. Here we are. The NCAA ruled on it and its done. We move on

This is what happened. Only exception is there really isnt a ''tutor'' and it wasnt a he. The guilty party was expelled from school. The full story will probably never get out. Willie Gay has been in a boot for a while to make it look like an injury and KT was in a red jersey for the same reason. Story has been in a red jersey too... I think we handled this about as well as we could. I also dont think it will be worst case, 10 gone for 8 but its not good either.
08-22-2019, 10:49 PM
dawgs

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Originally Posted by dantheman4248

And I'm telling you that that story does not add up. At all.

Take a big step back and ask yourself how does that Saturday really go down. Seriously I want you to think about what that story says.

You have to A. have Nick doing something basketball related at that moment and provable that he wasn't taking the test himself., B. The tutor taking the test on a Saturday (Yikes)., C. Someone in authority (ie the teacher) CHECKING this stuff on a Saturday., D. The teacher (or whomever) having a way to quickly get word to Howland on a Saturday while he is out of town on a gameday., E. A way to verify all of this minutes before the game (why would they even expect cheating??)

Do you see where there is way too many coincidences going on there? Not saying there wasn't cheating going on. That much I'm sure. But it sounds a lot more like the tutor went vindictive towards nick over something and sang like a bird to said teacher / authority when they intentionally took the test during a time he could not possibly have taken it and intentionally tried to sabatoge him. Which one sounds more plausible?

I'm sure professors are grading on weekends. Probably gets a notification when a test is submitted, sees its from nick Weatherspoon, turns around, looks at the warm ups on tv*, and calls the head of the department. Even if they weren't grading or working, they probably get phone notifications too.

*not literally, but probably knew we had a game in an hour and a basketball player wouldn't be taking a test at that time

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