Suspensions, per sources

[FriarsPoint]

We didn't self impose this. But I understand the frustration with it. It's amazing the same compliance Dept got Danberry eligible, but love isn't. Who knows.

Wait, so the issue of NCAA jurisdiction over academics should be settled with the UNC case but we didn’t self impose this?

[BeardoMSU]

This is on the players no doubt and they are to blame .. but if anyone thinks our compliance department isn?t playing checkers while all the other compliance departments in the SEC are playing chess then y?all are sadly mistaken.. it?s embarrassing...

When the **** are we going to knock this shit out and finally sit at the table with all the adults, rather than the short plastic chairs in the kiddie room?

[BuckyIsAB****]

How we feel about 2nd string lbs?

Leo Lewis and Errol Thompson is a good group. Lacks athleticism but will be solid. Aaron Brule is going to be the next good one and Washington plus Kilby Lane we can survive it but Willie Gay is elite

[RocketDawg]

Do ten players take the same damn chemistry class? Now I don?t doubt that a couple may get 8 games but the chances of ten players and one basketball player taking the same chemistry class and all getting one tutor to take their exam seems dumb and idiotic to me.

I suspect it's quite rare for a football and basketball player to even take a chemistry class.

[MarketingBully]

This is on the players no doubt and they are to blame .. but if anyone thinks our compliance department isn?t playing checkers while all the other compliance departments in the SEC are playing chess then y?all are sadly mistaken.. it?s embarrassing...

Why not sniff this shit out before it gets to compliance. If I?m in the admin and 11 players or more in multiple sports are taking a specific elective I?m paying special attention to said elective. This could easily have been sniffed out before stupid ass cheating took place. This is embarrassing that it happened period and more then the tutor should have been kicked out of school for this. The person who hired and vetted said tutor should be fired imo.

[MarketingBully]

I suspect it's quite rare for a football and basketball player to even take a chemistry class.

Especially considering two of the biggest ones hit have an undecided major and a psychology major.

[RocketDawg]

A lot of them do have the same major. It used to be education psychology when I was at MSU. Not sure if that has changed or not. I had classes with several football players. And by several I mean probably 1/3 of the team as I was an education major as well.

I took 144 hours plus a seemingly infinite number of 1-hour labs that really lasted about 10 hours at MSU and to the best of my knowledge there was never a single athlete of any kind in any of those classes.

[MarketingBully]

Especially considering two of the biggest ones hit have an undecided major and a psychology major.

And the other you guys name is In interdisciplinary studies. This shit should have been sniffed out when they looked at this roster. Chemistry seems like a weird elective to take don’t you think?

[MarketingBully]

Todd so we have an undecided major, an interdisciplinary study major and a psychology major all taking a Chemistry class....seems like a weird elective to me to take that doesn’t have anything to do with your major. Seems like some red flags in our admin should have gone up. We were asleep at the wheel on this until it came to the enforcement part. I just wish we could have done something before the stupidity ensued...

[bulldawg28]

Leo Lewis and Errol Thompson is a good group. Lacks athleticism but will be solid. Aaron Brule is going to be the next good one and Washington plus Kilby Lane we can survive it but Willie Gay is elite

Leo and Errol are both athletic LB's.

[DancingRabbit]

Leo and Errol are both athletic LB's.

Errol is more like an athletic monster. Can't wait to see him destroying people again.

[yjnkdawg]

This is on the players no doubt and they are to blame .. but if anyone thinks our compliance department isn?t playing checkers while all the other compliance departments in the SEC are playing chess then y?all are sadly mistaken.. it?s embarrassing...

I think we need a lawyer in that position, with a background, who has NCAA compliance experience, or who is well versed in dealing with NCAA compliance matters and sanctions. I doubt we will ever see that anytime soon. OM is way ahead of us in that respect.

[dawgs]

The person who hired and vetted said tutor should be fired imo.

Right because 20 year old college kids tutoring athletes have a long storied history that's easily vetted. Come on, I get the frustration/anger, but costing someone their livelihood cause a student tutor crosses the line "helping" athletes that couldn't have been predicted? Now obviously if there's more to the story where the tutor was directed to "help" athletes, then keep moving up the chain, but this idea that someone doing some dumb shit without a history of it should result in a father, husband, contributing member of society being fired and having to carry that with them their entire careers is ludicrous. Society has gotten way to overzealous with who should be fired and held responsible for another's bad actions committed on their own directive. Everyone has to be more outraged and angry than everyone else to prove they are adequately pissed off and that means calling for heads even if that someone had no reason to be concerned until the information at issue comes to light.

[yjnkdawg]

Why not sniff this shit out before it gets to compliance. If I?m in the admin and 11 players or more in multiple sports are taking a specific elective I?m paying special attention to said elective. This could easily have been sniffed out before stupid ass cheating took place. This is embarrassing that it happened period and more then the tutor should have been kicked out of school for this. The person who hired and vetted said tutor should be fired imo.

It's not as easy to do as what you say you would do if you were in the MSU administration. Sorry but that's just not the reality of it.

[dawgs]

Someone who is more of an "insider" than me will probably point out this was organic chemistry 2 or some shit, but I remember way back in my day ~20 years ago, there was a low level chemistry elective for non-STEM majors. So something like that seems like a course like that wouldn't be all that out of place for a bunch of athletes.

[yjnkdawg]

Someone who is more of an "insider" than me will probably point out this was organic chemistry 2 or some shit, but I remember way back in my day ~20 years ago, there was a low level chemistry elective for non-STEM majors. So something like that seems like a course like that wouldn't be all that out of place for a bunch of athletes.

I doubt anybody has that specific information on the course(s), but after your post it wouldn't surprise me if somebody did say that.

[MarketingBully]

Right because 20 year old college kids tutoring athletes have a long storied history that's easily vetted. Come on, I get the frustration/anger, but costing someone their livelihood cause a student tutor crosses the line "helping" athletes that couldn't have been predicted? Now obviously if there's more to the story where the tutor was directed to "help" athletes, then keep moving up the chain, but this idea that someone doing some dumb shit without a history of it should result in a father, husband, contributing member of society being fired and having to carry that with them their entire careers is ludicrous. Society has gotten way to overzealous with who should be fired and held responsible for another's bad actions committed on their own directive. Everyone has to be more outraged and angry than everyone else to prove they are adequately pissed off and that means calling for heads even if that someone had no reason to be concerned until the information at issue comes to light.

Dumb shit is maybe one or two tops but this tutor “helped” at least 11 or so according to these guys on here. That’s more then some dumb indiscretion and someone in the admin should pay for this shit. If you are bad at your job you shouldn’t be rewarded for it.

[Ari Gold]

I think we need a lawyer in that position, with a background, who has NCAA compliance experience, or who is well versed in dealing with NCAA compliance matters and sanctions. I doubt we will ever see that anytime soon. OM is way ahead of us in that respect.

Ding ding ding.. we have a winner. It doesn’t even have to be that big of an upgrade but damn It wouldnt be hard at all to get someone in there more qualified .. also
Is time to upgrade a lot of other positions as well.

[dantheman4248]

Wait is this really over a Survey of Chem 1 test (an online class) being taken by a tutor? ****in lol. I took that class and got an A and then went on to tutor for it myself. It's all online and has up to 350 people taking it. All I'll say is how they could catch someone else taking an exam for you is if you couldn't possibly be taking it at the time it shows (ie during practice) AND someone rats that they took it. Just wow.

[Coach34]

Wait is this really over a Survey of Chem 1 test (an online class) being taken by a tutor? ****in lol. I took that class and got an A and then went on to tutor for it myself. It's all online and has up to 350 people taking it. All I'll say is how they could catch someone else taking an exam for you is if you couldn't possibly be taking it at the time it shows (ie during practice) AND someone rats that they took it. Just wow.

or they could take the test while said player was in Arkansas warming up for the game. Then said tutor gets called in and squeals like a pig about his money-making scheme off the players. Admin doesnt cover up- they investigate and make sure all is found and then sings like a bird to the NCAA and begs forgiveness. 10 players 8 games each says the NCAA. It's a killer to the DT position and hurts depth every Sat. Holy Lord dont let us get a DT hurt