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As long as effort improves in games I believe he's here next year, because he was selected by Lebby. The problem is kids don't care about improvement, they care about money, brand , and name recognition. This is going to get stupid expensive just trying to get off the basement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
I guess it depends on how attached Lebby is to him. I think we really wanted Durkin and A&M messed us over. Turner I'm sure is gone regardless. None of the defensive staff I would lose sleep over losing honestly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
If it were me I would try to go after Kentucky's DC. Stoops isn't going to be there a lot longer I don't think based on him going after the A&M job last year.
I'd certainly be fine with a guy like Greg Gasperato, Nate Woody, or Shiel Wood.
When recruits aren't staying committed it makes me think that the boosters aren't sold on him. And that's kind of a job death sentence.
Nothing has improved on defense. Not one thing has changed. We gave up over 600 yards this past week and over 500 the week before. We're about to lose several recruits as well. Hutzler and that staff was a correctable mistake. This is a historically bad defense at State and in the SEC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
We definitely wanted Durkin. I know that for a fact and have heard it from multiple boosters. A&M did screw us on that. On the defensive recruiting front, I mean we have heard for months that Henry was going to be tough to keep because his handlers had their hands out. I still think we have a shot with him once he realizes that Bama is going to recruit over him in the portal plus his relationship with Lebby. And if not, then you get to portaling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
On Coleman, there are plans in place there. I doubt we see him back as DC next year, but I do think he will remain on the staff.
How's the relationship with Durkin and Freeze?Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Bad would be understating it. But Durkin was forced on him to begin with. It's like any coaches with Hugh, if you weren't on those original Ark State or OM staffs then your dispensable to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
So, you're saying there's a chance? ***Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I hate to tell those of you who think firing or demoting Hutzler will immediately make the defense better. It won't. This defense wouldn't be good if Nick Saban coached it. The talent simply isn't there/hasn't been developed.
Basically, this comes down to the fact. If we had been able to hire DJ Durkin, this defense would still be as bad as it is now. However, it would be OK to some of you because you knew who DJ Durkin was prior to him getting the job.
If you think Durkin would not be doing a better job than Hutzler right now, then I can't help you. I guarantee you those vacant gaps vs Florida would not have been there. And he sure would not have let Skeeter Bo run on a three man front for an entire half of football.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
You're probably both right. Schematically we may have been better, but the talent isn't going to get better this year. I mean schematically, Coleman has called two really solid games against Texas and UGA, but our D just isn't very good. I mean against Texas we were there, but couldn't wrap up. Against UGA we were in position but couldn't finish the play. And had our offense not completely checked out in the first half, we beat ASU.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
Coleman and Durkin call almost the exact same scheme. Another thing that cracks me up is this idea that you can have four on the ball, but if one is standing up instead of in a three-point stance, that it is really a 3-man line.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
This defense wouldn't be a top 100 defense if Nick Saban was coaching it.
we didn't have enough available healthy DL @ AZ State to hardly use and rotate properly. skeeter boo will make money in the league
Anyone that thinks our talent on defense isn't as good as W. KY and Buffalo are fools. Anyone that refuses to adjust until the game is over against ASU is a fool.
And for those claiming we don't have talent, tell me who he's recruiting that's going to fix this. We just lost two of our top recruits and are about to lose two others. It's so bad it's almost funny.
could any of our defense start at buffalo or W KY?
Well, it appears that much like with Arnett and his outdated ineffective "You have to establish the run" philosophy was stupid, it's going to take making a coaching change, inducing even more instability into the program, and hiring an "established" defensive coordinator who won't be any better than Hutzler with the current talent on the team to realize that the defensive issues this season are very clearly not a coaching issue.
Just like I was right about Arnett and his decisions to take the offense back to the dark ages, I'm right on this.
Issac Smith, Brice Pollock, Stone Blanton, Nic Mitchell, Trevion Williams, and John Lewis would all at the G5 level. Brylan Lanier would start at S since we have him playing out of position. DeAgo Brumfield would start. Corey Ellington would start. Again, our problem is not talent in the back 7 or 8. It's depth. It's talent and depth in the front 3 or 4.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pancho
LOL, yesQuote:
Originally Posted by Pancho
Two of those recruits were to better programs with more prestige than ours. That?s it. USC paid more money to a HS kid than we were willing to give. I respect us not getting into that bidding war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
The issue is the DL Coach whom we just had to have back has not recruited well enough over the last two years. Especially last year which was the reason we brought him back to take advantage of the DL in the state. When several posters brought up the glaring and obvious issue of his lack of recruiting we were told ?several of those players weren?t good? (Franklin, Echols, etc). Turner is living off what he did 10 years ago when he had time to develop guys like AJ Jefferson, Ryan Brown, Preston Smith, Nelson Adams. Well times have changed and he needs to either step up in a hurry or get gone.
Spot on. I think he likely will be gone. DL is our worst unit by far. We don?t really know anything about our coverage because the line can?t generate much pressure. It doesn?t matter who we hire. Not sure they could be worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by BankerDog
We ain't done losing recruits. We don't have anything outside LB to talk about either. It's not simply Turner. And Franklin was a money guy 100% and OM was who paid up. Echols family is at OM & we liked him as an OL.Quote:
Originally Posted by BankerDog
Who would want to play for this unknown (except for our long in the tooth DL coach), rookie "D" staff? Our "D" is a mess with a very questionable group of hires, a near total whiff in the last portal and the lack of returning talent catching up with us. I don't see how anyone looks at our stats and schemes and sees any improvement to date. 2-10 or 3-9 is no improvement over 5-7, even in last year's debacle. Going to be a long rebuilt to win games again in the SEC especially if we don't have a "D" also.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Good news on one of the recruits rumored to be jumping, it appears to be worked out. We'll see on the other. Need a good effort this weekend
Not to defend the staff-but not a ?rookie? group. Matt Barnes was the DC at Ohio State and Memphis. Bell has SEC experience as does Hutzler. Has the D been lacking? Yes but you look at the level of recruiting on the DL over the past three years and it?s bad enough to make any LB or DB look bad. The only recruit Turner has brought in is Tysun this year but he won?t be ready to contribute next year. Turner needs to step it up as does everyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
I?ve also been a proponent of getting Barnes to call some games prior to last two games.
Barnes got his play calling removed at OSU. His Memphis defense was horridly bad. All those Memphis kids be brought in have been hurt. The fact he and Hutzler can't figure things out and are still making the same mistakes halfway through the season is telling. Talent is poor but so is the coaching. We can't even tackle well & that's the minimum. We need a full reboot on that side. Hire a sitting DC and let him bring in his staff. By the way, Turner is bringing in nothing again. He thinks Juco is the cure.
Contingency plans have been in place since after ASU. We already have an MOU with a sitting P5 DC. Coleman would keep his position coach duties but be moved to STC. Turner is gone for sure. I would imagine we would have at least one more defensive staff defection in that scenario.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Literally just said that about Turner and have for two and a half years nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
If Hutzler becomes the STC then Odom will be reassigned or leave.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Does that sitting P5 DC's name happen to rhyme with "Jerkin"?Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Or Meoff SmollinsQuote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
North Carolina is allowing 30 PPG. We're allowing 33 PPG.Quote:
Originally Posted by RockyDog
So let's hope not.
If we continue to play with the effort we've seen the last two weeks Hutzler isn't getting fired or demoted. We are always going to lose recruits for little reason, for no logical reason, or good reason. Especially in the new era.
Hahaha. What about a current P4 Head Coach that currently makes his residency in Waco? Can we get a MOU with him to become our DC in 2025?Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Not happeningQuote:
Originally Posted by BigDawg81
It won't be Aranda.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigDawg81
I think Aranda is overrated as a DC anyway.
When you've got LSU talent it's hard to be a bad DC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
And even that year they were concerned because of what OM did to them when Plumlee ran for like 200 yds on themQuote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
For real. They have some freakish athletes every year.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
Austin Howard decommits