Selmon needs to act or get fired

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Originally Posted by Coach34

lol- dude I just got the text. All these AR Cult members and whiny fans have heard Will is playing Saturday. They are afraid we will win our last 2 and then Arnett will get another year. Thats all this is about

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No, we are afraid we won't win Saturday with Arnett, when we know that we would without Arnett. We're afraid that we'll get blown out by Ole Miss with Arnett, when we know that without him maybe we can make it a game.

All we care about is what's best for MSU, winning games and setting up for the future. All the pro-Arnett side cares about is bragging and gloating about how right they were, and even though this season has been a complete and total humiliation and discrediting, they want to leave open the opportunity for maybe one more gloat.

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Originally Posted by confucius say

They want to hear you say you think arnett should be fired at season's end. Not that it is going to happen, but that you think it should happen and want it to happen.

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He did. A few posts above that one

Here's a scenario for you guys I guess. You take your wife out to a very expensive restaurant. You order the most expensive bone in ribeye at market price and your wife orders lobster. You want it rare/medium rare and she wants her lobster juicy and fully done. However when you get your meals, your steak is overly well done and her lobster isn't cooked all the way. You tell your server to take it back and start fresh (or at least I hope you guys would and not just chow it down with a smile on your face). When you get your plates again, the cooked still ****ed it up. At this point, you are asking yourself what the **** is going on back there? The manager tells you that he is sorry, but his cook is brand new with no cooking experience at all. Baffling right? Manager tells you, he will cook it again for you, however, he still ****s it up. Would you be puzzled as to why they continue to let this inexperience cook in their kitchen to **** up so many people's meals? Manager informs you that the cook will in fact be fired in two weeks so don't worry about your current meal. You start to question the management as to why they would let this brand new cook continue to **** up everyone's meals for the next two weeks.

See the resemblance?

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

He did. A few posts above that one

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exactly

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Originally Posted by Activated Alpha

I know you have been a voice of reason for many of coaches across State athletics. But I haven't seen you post nearly as much criticism towards this staff than you have regarding others. And I say it seems like you or C34 are holding onto some bit of information is because of withholding criticism for the majority of the season. And firing him today or tomorrow wouldn't just appease a bunch of whiny ass people it would appease a lot of the fanbase. So if firing him before next weekend won't change our coaching search or are record, why not just go on ahead and do it? Give some reasons as to why we need to keep him for the remaining two games

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As a rule, I'm pretty not much on drilling any staff. Not saying I never have, but it's few and far between. Jomo was probably where I came down the hardest but still rare. Every staff we've ever have whether it was Mullen, jomo, leach or ZA they want to win way more than any slap dick here. Trust me. I've said it in multiple threads multiple times, they haven't done a good job. Various reasons. Is what it is.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

As a rule, I'm pretty not much on drilling any staff. Not saying I never have, but it's few and far between. Jomo was probably where I came down the hardest but still rare. Every staff we've ever have where'd it was Mullen, jomo, leach or ZA they want to win way more than any slap dick here. Trust me. I've said it in multiple threads multiple times, they haven't done a good job. Various reasons. Is what it is.

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Most of our readers fail to understand that you deal with pretty much every staff in some way and when you say something- it's from a place of knowing it to be so rather than internet legend

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Most of our readers fail to understand that you deal with pretty much every staff in some way and when you say something- it's from a place of knowing it to be so rather than internet legend

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Hell I hung out w leach numerous times and I find out I'm a leach hater.... who knew .....
And yes I keep about 80% of what I hear to myself. The 20 that comes out is usually just confirming what someone else has said or shooting down nonsense. But oh well.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Yes because coaches have no idea what its like to start your 2nd and 3rd team QB's for 4-5 games after losing your starter. Those coaches know how easy it is to plug guys in just like fans do on playstation

While you guys give this staff no quarter after losing Rogers coaches understand that shit hurts your program and causes problems

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This is pretty funny given that so many fans criticized Will over the years and the mobile QB we brought in that was supposed to make everything work better was a complete flop.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

And not only that- it also makes potential coaches realize there isnt much talent on the roster. So why go there?

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There was enough talent to win 9 games last year. And enough talent on the team to beat Arkansas, Kentucky, Auburn, and Texas A&M. Really this is a nothing burger because of the portal.

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Originally Posted by SPMT

People are hard on this staff because the teams is clearly undisciplined and in complete disarray. It?s that simple.

Delay of games while punting, 12 penalties late in the year. That is why people want a complete staff turn over. It?s pathetic and you know it as well as the rest of us do.

They were undisciplined and poorly coached with Rogers. It?s very obvious.

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Exactly. Which has nothing to do with talent or Will at QB. This group struggles to line up correctly and jumps before the ball is snapped repeatedly and most are seniors. That didn't happen nearly as much under the last staff.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

We are losing 1/3 of this roster anyway. Does it matter? The next coach is going to have to portal like we have never portaled

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Glad to see you agree with me about our "lack of talent" being a noting burger.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Silence?? He's gonna be fired. And fired based on a poor job. What else you want me to say?? What am I holding onto?? All firing him today does is appeases a bunch of whiny ass people. If they do fine. I won't cry but it's not changing anything w the coaching search. Or our record.

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Just want to point out that those "whiny ass people" are many of the same ones sacrificing time and money for this program. So yeah- they do matter. And MSU not realizing that is EXACTLY one of biggest issues MSU has had over the years. And then MSU wonders why the stands aren't full while they're telling those "whiny ass people" what to like and that they don't know what they're talking about. So yes, optics matter. A LOT.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Why? Because I dont want 12 days of Tony Hughes as our interim HC? Thats a strange take

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It wouldn't be any worse than what we're watching. Or Steve Campbell.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

lol- dude I just got the text. All these AR Cult members and whiny fans have heard Will is playing Saturday. They are afraid we will win our last 2 and then Arnett will get another year. Thats all this is about

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Can you blame them for that considering how MSU handled Joe Moorhead in 2019? All it takes is one Egg Bowl upset to make the boosters overlook things. It happened with Jackie in 2001 too. Happens at Ole Miss as well- see Matt Luke. Most fans are actually concerned about the long term health of the program and tired of having to support lying sons of bitches that suck as coaches.

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Originally Posted by Activated Alpha

I know you have been a voice of reason for many of coaches across State athletics. But I haven't seen you post nearly as much criticism towards this staff than you have regarding others. And I say it seems like you or C34 are holding onto some bit of information is because of withholding criticism for the majority of the season. And firing him today or tomorrow wouldn't just appease a bunch of whiny ass people it would appease a lot of the fanbase. So if firing him before next weekend won't change our coaching search or are record, why not just go on ahead and do it? Give some reasons as to why we need to keep him for the remaining two games

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Oh they're definitely fans of this staff. They've floated all of the excuses. Last staff didn't recruit well. Which is why there was a major push for keeping the defensive staff for "continuity" and keep the last class together. Makes total sense right? And despite these players being "G5 talent" it's all because of injuries to the players that aren't really any good to start with.

All the lies and BS that has been spewed forth by this staff is my personal biggest reason why I can't wait to see them fired. It's a glorified 7A high school football staff. Which is actually likely the next place we see Brad Peterson and Will Hall face off against each other after Saturday.

I never thought you were a Leach hater Homedawg. I also want to state, that I don't believe we would have someone locked up before the EB if we went on ahead and fired CZA now. I know that isn't how it works and would rather us be diligent with this search and get it right.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

No, we are afraid we won't win Saturday with Arnett, when we know that we would without Arnett. We're afraid that we'll get blown out by Ole Miss with Arnett, when we know that without him maybe we can make it a game.

All we care about is what's best for MSU, winning games and setting up for the future. All the pro-Arnett side cares about is bragging and gloating about how right they were, and even though this season has been a complete and total humiliation and discrediting, they want to leave open the opportunity for maybe one more gloat.

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And this too.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

No, we are afraid we won't win Saturday with Arnett, when we know that we would without Arnett. We're afraid that we'll get blown out by Ole Miss with Arnett, when we know that without him maybe we can make it a game.

All we care about is what's best for MSU, winning games and setting up for the future. All the pro-Arnett side cares about is bragging and gloating about how right they were, and even though this season has been a complete and total humiliation and discrediting, they want to leave open the opportunity for maybe one more gloat.

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I disagree. I think Arnett is the only thing saving our defense because Brock isn't ready. That being said I think that it's best to move on and have a coach on the books that we can announce right after their last regular season game.

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Originally Posted by Activated Alpha

Here's a scenario for you guys I guess. You take your wife out to a very expensive restaurant. You order the most expensive bone in ribeye at market price and your wife orders lobster. You want it rare/medium rare and she wants her lobster juicy and fully done. However when you get your meals, your steak is overly well done and her lobster isn't cooked all the way. You tell your server to take it back and start fresh (or at least I hope you guys would and not just chow it down with a smile on your face). When you get your plates again, the cooked still ****ed it up. At this point, you are asking yourself what the **** is going on back there? The manager tells you that he is sorry, but his cook is brand new with no cooking experience at all. Baffling right? Manager tells you, he will cook it again for you, however, he still ****s it up. Would you be puzzled as to why they continue to let this inexperience cook in their kitchen to **** up so many people's meals? Manager informs you that the cook will in fact be fired in two weeks so don't worry about your current meal. You start to question the management as to why they would let this brand new cook continue to **** up everyone's meals for the next two weeks.

See the resemblance?

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I would say MSU football is more like your favorite restaurant operating like a half assed operation and taking too long to fix problems. While telling you that you don't know what you're talking about or that your complaints don't really matter.

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Originally Posted by Activated Alpha

I never thought you were a Leach hater Homedawg. I also want to state, that I don't believe we would have someone locked up before the EB if we went on ahead and fired CZA now. I know that isn't how it works and would rather us be diligent with this search and get it right.

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If yo thought I was saying you thought those things I didn't mean you. Sorry. Just ranting in responses that cover multiple topics. Not directly meant for you. But others for sure.

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Originally Posted by TheLostDawg

I disagree. I think Arnett is the only thing saving our defense because Brock isn't ready. That being said I think that it's best to move on and have a coach on the books that we can announce right after their last regular season game.

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Ummm..we just allowed 51 points to Texas A&M.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Hell I hung out w leach numerous times and I find out I'm a leach hater.... who knew .....
And yes I keep about 80% of what I hear to myself. The 20 that comes out is usually just confirming what someone else has said or shooting down nonsense. But oh well.

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They have things built up so much in their head that put people in this box or that box. Not realizing that you in particular have had ties to every staff, not just this one and what you do share is coming from direct knowledge.

I'm not going thru all that Todd but we lost 7 starters on D and now the D is bad

We lost RaRa and others on offense as we have transitioned from the pure AR- so its bad also.

aGAIN- we lost draft picks and others to the portal. We arent the team we were last year. Nobody projected to be drafted for the first time since 2009

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Originally Posted by TheLostDawg

I disagree. I think Arnett is the only thing saving our defense because Brock isn't ready. That being said I think that it's best to move on and have a coach on the books that we can announce right after their last regular season game.

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Again, this is NOT going to happen no matter if we fired him in sept. Just isn't. But I'm done saying it and will wait for the meltdown the sat after the egg when people start saying had we only fired ZA earlier and incorrectly say, we would already have our coach. Smdh

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

If yo thought I was saying you thought those things I didn't mean you. Sorry. Just ranting in responses that cover multiple topics. Not directly meant for you. But others for sure.

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I know. Just want you to know how I felt. I don't mean to lump you into the bucket of other frustrated fans

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

This is pretty funny given that so many fans criticized Will over the years and the mobile QB we brought in that was supposed to make everything work better was a complete flop.



There was enough talent to win 9 games last year. And enough talent on the team to beat Arkansas, Kentucky, Auburn, and Texas A&M. Really this is a nothing burger because of the portal.



Exactly. Which has nothing to do with talent or Will at QB. This group struggles to line up correctly and jumps before the ball is snapped repeatedly and most are seniors. That didn't happen nearly as much under the last staff.



Glad to see you agree with me about our "lack of talent" being a noting burger.



Just want to point out that those "whiny ass people" are many of the same ones sacrificing time and money for this program. So yeah- they do matter. And MSU not realizing that is EXACTLY one of biggest issues MSU has had over the years. And then MSU wonders why the stands aren't full while they're telling those "whiny ass people" what to like and that they don't know what they're talking about. So yes, optics matter. A LOT.



It wouldn't be any worse than what we're watching. Or Steve Campbell.



Can you blame them for that considering how MSU handled Joe Moorhead in 2019? All it takes is one Egg Bowl upset to make the boosters overlook things. It happened with Jackie in 2001 too. Happens at Ole Miss as well- see Matt Luke. Most fans are actually concerned about the long term health of the program and tired of having to support lying sons of bitches that suck as coaches.



Oh they're definitely fans of this staff. They've floated all of the excuses. Last staff didn't recruit well. Which is why there was a major push for keeping the defensive staff for "continuity" and keep the last class together. Makes total sense right? And despite these players being "G5 talent" it's all because of injuries to the players that aren't really any good to start with.

All the lies and BS that has been spewed forth by this staff is my personal biggest reason why I can't wait to see them fired. It's a glorified 7A high school football staff. Which is actually likely the next place we see Brad Peterson and Will Hall face off against each other after Saturday.

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Those ?whiny ass? fans are the ones who give money. Though not enough. Regardless, those whiny ass fans are the only reason there is a sport called college football. Sports is entertainment at this day and age in college football. Without those whiny ass fans you are back to playing high school at a higher level, like the old days. So, if admin don?t get that then they can get 17d. The days of school pride are second nature o entertainment value and our product sucks.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Again, this is NOT going to happen no matter if we fired him in sept. Just isn't. But I'm done saying it and will wait for the meltdown the sat after the egg when people start saying had we only fired ZA earlier and incorrectly say, we would already have our coach. Smdh

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Some of these people don?t realize how business in general works and economics..