Well to be fair, maybe he was used to our offense in conf play... we avg'd 316 yds per gameQuote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
ETA... Iowa had 199 total yds. Damn defense blew it!
Well to be fair, maybe he was used to our offense in conf play... we avg'd 316 yds per gameQuote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
ETA... Iowa had 199 total yds. Damn defense blew it!
Iowa also averaged giving up 17.8 points per game and 293 yards per game so our offense wasn't too bad against them. UK was a bad game all around. I think it is safe to say that the entire team lost that game including the coaching staff. Fitz looked like he didn't have a clue what to do on offense and they shut down our running game. UK was really good on defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Vs Iowa, we had these scoring drives...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
9 plays. 23 yds. Fg (set up by defense)
3 plays 6 yds td (set up by defense)
1 play 33 yds td (set up special teams)
16 of our 22 points came of this combined drive stat line, 13 plays 62 yds. This was setup by the defense/special teams. Blaming the defense for Iowa is ridiculous
I just don't like the revisionist history, we had a few stinkers with Mullen every year as well outside of the Dak seasons. Joe lost to some great teams last season. No truly unforgivable losses, and unless you feel we had a real shot of winning the Natty, its an above average season. Winning 9 or 10 would have made little difference in the perception of our program. So basically going forward we need to evaluate Joe on his ability to recruit (looks promising), coach offense, and win football games regardless of circumstance. In year 1 he recruited as well or above Mullen Level based on his 10 year average. He was worse on offense then Mullen that is undeniable, but he won more games than Mullen won here on average so that is also in limbo.
Going into this season he has a QB he wanted, the receiver talent is elevated though still not to an acceptable level, this will continue to be pushed in recruiting. Lets see how we do on offense and winning this season before we make sweeping judgement on a guy in his first year. Hell Jimbo has a Natty and Joe smoked him and A&M has alot of stockpiled talent. Joe seems to make good hires for his staff and is if nothing else a good leader of men. Gotta stop comparing Joe to Mullen who was maybe the best coach in our history with a lengthy tenure.
I think we improve offensively enough to match last season, with some luck maybe we get more. Shoop was a home run hire and hope we can keep him here for a while.
I didn't blame the defense, I just said the overall offense wasn't too bad. Offensive turnovers and a few big plays on defense are pretty much the turning point in that game. It isn't a surprise that our offense struggled against Really GOOD to GREAT defenses. I will say when we struggled, it was bad. Joe has to fix that this year but let's not act like Mullen never scored under 10 points in a game.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
The worst scoring defense we lost to is LSU at #26. The worst total defense we lost to was UF at #28. So it isn't like we lost to a crap team. The UF game is the worst loss because it was at home. Of course they also ended up #7 in the country so it isn't like losing to a bad team.
The Mullen worshippers on here don't seem to remember any games like 2017 UGA or AU where we struggled to do anything on offense. Over Mullen's 9 years, he was close to 30 points per game and Moorhead last year was at 28.5 with a brand new offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scared_Hitless
In 2018 vs conf only opponents, we were 119th out of 129 conf teams in the nation, 92nd percentile of ineptitude of conf only scoring offense. 90th percentile is as bad as we've been since at least croomQuote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
I think everybody remembers those games just fine...and plenty of people weren't happy about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
At the same time, it was only twice, both those teams were great teams, they were both on the road, our QB was a year younger, and our offense did well in other tough games, like Bama and LSU that year.
All of the games you point to were on the road except UF. Bama and LSU had big time players injured on their defense and those games were at home. As far as the QB, Fitz definitely took a big step back and was coming off of a bad injury where he didn't take live snaps until August. 2018 UK's defense = 2017 UGA defense in almost every way statistically.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Also most would argue Nick was a better and more willing runner before the injury. Bama was an anomaly that season they were injured at multiple key positions. Joe also had decent games against AU and A&M the records were the same for a reason. I am not saying Joe is better than Mullen, but he had 0 bad losses and didnt lose to a shit Ole Miss team to end the season. Also had Joe got a layup like Louisville with Peter Sirmon in the bowl game he gets the same 9-4 record and most of the annoyance of early losses goes out the window.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Sadly we got a seasoned Iowa team that capitalized on our many turnovers, which normally do not fall on coaching.
Total def: Kentucky 23rd, Georgia 6thQuote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
Yds/play: Kentucky 57th, Georgia 10th
Scoring: Kentucky 6th, Georgia 6th
Keep in mind, Georgia had to face auburn, Bama, Oklahoma in their last 3 postseason games
He lost to zero bad teams, but the UK and Florida losses were bad simply because of the way he and the team were completely unprepared. I'm optimistic about Moorhead based on the way we dominated mediocre defenses even though I'm not sure we had a receiver that would have seen regular snaps for any of the top say 8 WR corps in the SEC. But he shit the bed against UK and UF. There were mitigating factors (UK on the road, we were overly hyped and overly confident, it was raining, etc, UF was against good team with coaches that new our personnel), but there's not much argument that he and the team (or at least the part he was primarily responsible for) shit the bed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scared_Hitless
Sure I am not arguing that in anyway those games in my opinion with our defense were winnable with a decent offense. We did not get that in either game, but I also watched plenty of perfectly drawn up plays get botched by our receivers and QB. We should have an offensive leap in year 2 if we don't with Joe having a QB he brought in like Stevens I will be concerned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
Those stats were against NIU Huskies, Iowa State, Northern Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Indiana, Maryland, Penn State, Purdue, Norhwestern, Illinois, and Nebraska. They held Wisconsin to 28, which was their 6th lowest scoring total in 13 games. They gave up 30 @Penn State which, was their 7th lowest scoring game in 13 games. They gave up 38 @Purdue. They gave up 31 v.Nebraska. They gave up 31 @Minnesota.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
They certainly were a well coached defense and had some decent talent, but I'm not sure they even stand out as above average in the SEC and looking at what other people managed to score on them, us scoring only 27 when helped out by a defense that held them to 200 yards is pretty bad.
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i don't blame mullen for that. His system was about spreading the field horizontally not vertically. most of our guys could catch on the line of scrimmage or catch speed sweeps or be using in the option game. Mullen recruited athletes. guys that could break open the field in space with the ball in their hands. he didn't recruit them to go down the field and catch. just a difference in strategy and the players he recruited for that strategy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
ABSOLUTELY SPOT ON!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by trojandawg
This is difference in the WR commits we have now, versus what Mullen (and Gonzalez) were trying to get on campus. You can't have a bunch of Percy Harvin type of receivers and expect to go vertical. As someone in another thread stated, had Moorhead followed message board advice - he'd be in year 1 of implementing his system because he would have adapted his style to Mullen last year. Instead, we are in year 2 of his system - which I think has a higher ceiling for our overall program.
Agree, can't blame D for those 2 losses. Gave up a couple a big plays but didn't give up any all year. If anyone complains about D performance from last year, I just don't know how to help you and Lord help you the next couple years.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Also, do not ever forget the officiating in the Ky game. We were hosed, period.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
I wouldn't call UK and FL or Iowa great teams; good yes, not great. All teams talent wise we should have beat, with any coach in my MSU lifetime except maybe one. Jo laid an egg and yes Mullen laid some as well. Right now Mullen only ahead of Jo due to time and 2014 and that is about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scared_Hitless