Giving Croom credit

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07-13-2019, 11:07 PM
gravedigger

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07-14-2019, 10:32 AM
tcdog70

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Originally Posted by Coach007

The embarrassment were the things done that made us a repeat offender and put our program in the gutter. It's dumb for you to think otherwise.

Wait, you are off subject. We are talking about the Slytanic. Being on probation would be better than 5 years under Croom.
Your post was about Croom not Jackie. If you notice you are alone in your opinion about Sly. I guess everyone is the dumbass?/ wrong!
07-14-2019, 10:41 AM
Coach007

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

Wait, you are off subject. We are talking about the Slytanic. Being on probation would be better than 5 years under Croom.

4 out of Crooms 5 years were under probation.

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If you notice you are alone in your opinion about Sly.

Actually, I'm not. Plenty of people agree that he handled the player issues and that the recruiting picked up when probation came to an end. Everybody agrees he was not a great head coach.
07-15-2019, 12:10 PM
KentuckyDawg13

Croom was MSU's NCAA punishment.
07-15-2019, 12:49 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by KentuckyDawg13

Croom was MSU's NCAA punishment.

We got the death penalty by committing suicide.

I watched the 2007 Egg Bowl last night on SECN. That was a comedy. We were so inept. We had no business beating OM. Thanks to Coach O going for it on 4th and 1 at mid field with 9 minutes left in the game we were able to claw back and win. He opts to kick it deep I doubt we come back.

And Anthony Dixon was a completely different RB under Mullen for 1 year. Croom was supposedly an NFL RB coach.
07-15-2019, 12:57 PM
NCDawg

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

We got the death penalty by committing suicide.

I watched the 2007 Egg Bowl last night on SECN. That was a comedy. We were so inept. We had no business beating OM. Thanks to Coach O going for it on 4th and 1 at mid field with 9 minutes left in the game we were able to claw back and win. He opts to kick it deep I doubt we come back.

And Anthony Dixon was a completely different RB under Mullen for 1 year. Croom was supposedly an NFL RB coach.

I watched the game, too. You are correct that we had no business winning that game. Ole Miss had the best team, and had they punted on 4th and I from midfield, I have no doubt they would have won. Orgeron deserved to be fired after that game.
07-15-2019, 01:11 PM
I seen it dawg

While i applaud the enthusiasm in this thread i have to wonder where in the Sam hell it came from? Why dig up this coffin
07-15-2019, 08:55 PM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by Coach007

Parade All-American running back at Washington High who went on to lead Mississippi State University in rushing. ABOVE Norwood. Same class. Norwood finished second on the team with 66 rushes for 394 yards. Turner led the team and ranked second in the Southeastern Conference in all-purpose yardage with 138.7 per game in 2003. Turner led the Bulldogs with 745 rushing yards and seven touchdowns in 2003..... Norwood finished the season with 121 carries for 642 yards and two touchdowns.

So yes. He dismissed our TOP Running back.

Im sorry but if you think Nick Turner was better than Jerious Norwood you have never seen Jerious Norwood play in person. If he goes to LSU or anywhere else he wins the heisman trophy.
07-15-2019, 08:59 PM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Here are the facts:

1. Croom had twice as many players arrested in 5 years as Jackie Wayne did in 13.
2. Croom fell asleep on a recruit's couch
3. Croom lost his job because he would not fire his OC who ran exactly what Croom wanted him to run on offense
4. Croom said he would retire before changing to a Spread Offense (but instead made The Ninja fire him)
5. Croom said he saw on film Maine had as good or better talent than we had
6. Croom said the reason we were losing in 2008 was because the D wasnt scoring as much as they did in 2007
7. Croom said he didnt care if we didnt gain a yard- he was going to line-up and run right at LSU (Nick Saban)
8. Croom rejected Jackie's offer to help him transition at State
9. Croom made Omar Conner- who was built for the Spread- make a thousand reads at QB
10. Croom was a terrible HC period. Some of his former assts still laugh at him and the shit he did. Hearing one of them tell the falling asleep on the couch story while laughing so hard they can barely finish it tells you everything you need to know his time in Sville.

Omarr Conner running the spread would have been hellacious
07-15-2019, 09:04 PM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by Pollodawg

Except for Dixon and Derek Peguess, I don?t recall a single player from that ?07 team. Odd.

And, yes, I absolutely blame Jackie for 2001-2003, and I blame Dan for 2016. Jackie had mailed it in by then, and Dan handled the locker room about as poorly as he could?ve to start that season. I don?t just blame Croom for his mistakes.

D'Mon Glanton, Dominic Douglas, Titus Brown, Christian Ducre, Anthony Johnson, Tony Burks, Kyle Love, Tim Bailey, Anthony Strauder, Jamayel Smith, Lance Long, Avery Hannibal, Jamar Cheney, Gabe O'Neal, Keith Fitzhugh, DeMario Bobo, Zach Smith.

That 2007 team was the first one that went bowling for me when I was a kid so I probably remember quite a few more than others haha. It was tough times at school during those days. Thank God we beat OM in 2005 bc it was awful from 02-04 with the OM kids at school
07-15-2019, 09:07 PM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

Didn't Anthony Johnson get kicked off the team over the gunfight on campus and go to Jackson State? Correct me if I am wrong. Jackie's last couple of years were a total disaster, but I don't remember a gunfight by players on campus.

Idk if he got kicked off or not but he did go to JSU. He is a referee now. I met him at a semi pro game a while back and talked to him. And its not your post but KJ Wright wasnt on the 07 team FWIW
07-15-2019, 09:10 PM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

Someone name the 10 best recruits in the Croom Error and look at how terrible it is.

He didn't recruit, he didn't push facilities improvement, and during his 5 years is when we missed the push the SEC made into the power position it holds today.

We are suffering in SEC mediocrity partially because of him. Problem is that we may never get out of the hole that period of time dug us into.

And yes he straight up didn't get hired at Bama because he was black. Numerous accounts of folks saying they were afraid the fan base wouldn't accept him even though he played and was groomed under Bear

I guess Auburn and over half the league is suffering in SEC mediocrity to then bc we have the same exact record as they do. And a better SEC record than a lot of other teams in this league. 9 year bowl streak, there a quite a few other teams in this conference that wish they had that.
07-15-2019, 09:15 PM
THE Bruce Dickinson

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Originally Posted by NCDawg

I watched the game, too. You are correct that we had no business winning that game. Ole Miss had the best team, and had they punted on 4th and I from midfield, I have no doubt they would have won. Orgeron deserved to be fired after that game.

All of this is correct.

And you are right. They did have the better team, and they were 0-7 in the conference. We sucked in 07
07-15-2019, 09:23 PM
Pollodawg

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

Omarr Conner running the spread would have been hellacious

I would’ve loved to have seen Connor in Dan’s system.
07-15-2019, 09:24 PM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson

All of this is correct.

And you are right. They did have the better team, and they were 0-7 in the conference. We sucked in 07

Yall are forgetting the biggest win of the Croom era....we knocked off 13th ranked Vandy in 2008
07-15-2019, 09:27 PM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson

All of this is correct.

And you are right. They did have the better team, and they were 0-7 in the conference. We sucked in 07

The defense was good all around. The defense was pretty good in 06 but had to carry an abysmal offense that year and in 07. At no point during Croom's time at State was the offense ever even close to being competent. That year we just didnt turn it over and our defense was pretty good
07-15-2019, 09:29 PM
Goldendawg

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Originally Posted by I seen it dawg

While i applaud the enthusiasm in this thread i have to wonder where in the Sam hell it came from? Why dig up this coffin

I am thinking of starting a new thread, "Giving Shira Credit". What do you older dawgs think? I was a boy, but those were some rough years. He won SEC Coach of the Year for going 6-5 one year I think. May have been his only winning season, like someone else we have been talking about. Hail State!
07-15-2019, 09:32 PM
somebodyshotmypaw

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

Im sorry but if you think Nick Turner was better than Jerious Norwood you have never seen Jerious Norwood play in person. If he goes to LSU or anywhere else he wins the heisman trophy.

This Heisman trophy argument is ridiculous. But I did love Norwood.

If he goes to LSU or anywhere else he wins the heisman trophy. So he wins it at Southern Miss or Ole Miss? He wins it at Tulane or Kansas? I'm not buying it.
07-15-2019, 09:40 PM
THE Bruce Dickinson

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

The defense was good all around. The defense was pretty good in 06 but had to carry an abysmal offense that year and in 07. At no point during Croom's time at State was the offense ever even close to being competent. That year we just didnt turn it over and our defense was pretty good

I agree. The D was pretty good in 07'. They weren't as good as the D's in 14,17,18 but they made plays at timely moments. You are right about the offense though. Go back and look at some of those box scores in the games we won. They are laughable. Croom also won coach of the year by going 7-5. What a joke
07-15-2019, 09:47 PM
Goldendawg

A few coaches got fired for losing to State teams under him, was called "getting croomed". It wasn't much of a compliment for our upsets. I also remember his and Willie's "West Coast Offense". If it was 3rd and 5 or so, we ran a pass at the line of scrimmage or maybe the RB or WR ran a 2 or 3 and out pattern. It was then the responsibility of said receiver to break the tackle and get YAC for the 1st down. This VERY seldom worked.

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