Do some top quality croots have less offers due to the fact the coaches know he's settled on 1 or 2 schools and is in no way considering others?Quote:
Originally Posted by SouthMSDog
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Do some top quality croots have less offers due to the fact the coaches know he's settled on 1 or 2 schools and is in no way considering others?Quote:
Originally Posted by SouthMSDog
I guess there's nothing to discuss then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doggie_Style
Well here's a novel concept, why don't you let it play out and see who we actually land. Mullen wasn't even offering or going after these guys and folks used to complain on here about us not even offering high rated recruits.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
The sky must be indeed falling.......Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
This!Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to BuckyIsAB**** again.
Early August......
Eh, I don't believe that. Agree let's let it play out and not just crown a recruiting upswing just because we offer a player. Let's see the results first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
Sometimes chasing the big fish isn't the best idea. Would we have Gray committed right now if we didn't chase Emery?
Think about it
And if Emery hadn't strung us a long (well, not really him), we'd have gone harder after someone else. But he was all but committed until people got involved.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
If you want us to go back to Mullenesque recruiting, well, then you'll be complaining about even worse rated classes and a larger talent gap between us and the top schools.
We never backed away from Gray. We didn't push him to commit, but we didn't back away. He won't end up at Michigan.
I agree. I'm just saying that there are different ways to look at this & all that matters is who you sign.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Throwing out offers does not equal better recruiting. Signing better players equals better recruiting.
The Emery situation is just absurd BTW. The most MSU thing ever
But you have to offer them and spend time recruiting top players to get them. And once you start getting a few, others will come with them. These guys have been here 7-9 months. The relationships they build will be a helluva a lot better than what our last staff did. HS coaches hated our last staff (the CC).Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
You just skipped the most important part of the process. You went from throwing out offers straight to signing. The key part & the part this staff in a few short months have proven they're willing to do more than the last staff is recruit better players. Anybody can throw the offer out but not everybody is willing to put in the work to get the kid. Of course signing is the most important but you can't sign better players if you don't RECRUIT better players. That's what we're trying to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
We were so pissed when the last staff would just settle for kids they didn't have to work for & had no other offers. I saw the same thing last month when plenty on here & other msg boards were screaming let's just take "insert instate OL or RB here". Instead this staff is still looking for legit SEC caliber players. Again it's all about who you sign but continuing to try to sign legit SEC guys & not just saying oh well I can pull this kid with no effort sign him up is a step up in recruiting which everyone has been screaming about for years.
Good points & I agree with all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
I just don't like praising people until the results are in. However, it does appear as though the process is better and with more effort.
I do wonder though if Mullen's regime started off doing this before throwing in the towel when they realized they weren't landing any of the big fish they were chasing?
Does anyone remember the first few years of the Mullen era in terms of who we offered & recruited?
It's funny because you're constantly preaching about how MSU & MSU fans need to get over this inferiority complex. However when someone praises this staff or talks about how good they think this new staff will be in coaching or recruiting you throw a wet blanket on them or so say slow down with the praise. It's just confusing because you say take pride in MSU & expect better but when someone does you say wait a minute let's not get to ahead of ourselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
You don't believe what? This staff is recruiting totally different than the previous staff, It's night and day different. Talk to some of the kids being recruited in person and don't just base it on what you read on the recruiting sites. I'm telling you this staff is doing things the right way in who and how they're recruiting. They're already making more connections and in roads in just the few months they've been here than the previous staff did in the years they were here. Go and talk to some of the hs coaches, they'll tell you.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Well we already have a 4 star DE committed from Tennessee that has offers from Ohio State and Alabama and a 4 star qb from Carolina that has offers from everyone in the country in year 1, so I doubt they throw in the towel.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Ifyouonlyknew again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
I'm not into praising human beings unless it's results oriented. I view MSU as bigger than any coach, player, & administrator. My opinions involved separating the two.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
For example: I despise how our athletic department continues to market the "Moor....." slogan stuff. We should be selling the school & state, not a human being. Our pride should be based around the school & state, not a human being.
I understand the predicament in which you are calling into question, but it's different IMO, even if I have trouble explaining why.
Hopefully this makes sense
I'm not here to defend Mullen's recruiting in any way, but Mullen landed KT, Cord Sanburg, Montez Sweat, Nick Gibson, Mixon, Fred Ross, etc.... I don't see what we've done out of state as being that much different than what the Mullen regime did, although I do realize that everything Mullen is currently bad & every Moorhead is wonderful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
Perhaps our recruiting will be better at the end of the day, but I'm seeing this massive uptick that everyone keeps praising this staff for. At least not yet.
Cord Sandburg never made it to campus and everyone in the country knew he was not coming, which is why we got him so easily to start with. Montez Sweat was a MS juco prospect. That does not count for OOS signees. Keith Mixon was a composite 3 star. Fred Ross, KT, Bennie Brown, and Gipson are about the only 4 OOS highly rated kids he signed while here. That is in 9 years. We have 2 in year 1 with this staff, along with Whop from last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
- There are more than the ones I listedQuote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
- I think Whop was coming regardless, I could be wrong though
- Everyone did not know what was going to happen to Cord at the time he committed to us. He committed to us early that Summer before the baseball situation took off.
- I'm not saying that this staff isn't doing a good job & the process is not better, but objectively, I not sold yet that recruiting will be THAT much better. I realize that is an unpopular opinion, but it's the way I see it at this point. I'm sure I'll be called dumb for this opinion, but, outside of the state of Mississippi being more loaded than ever, I don't yet see a drastic uptick in who we will likely sign.
You can't trust what any of these kids say, until they do what they told you they would do, sign and fax. Any State fan that's been around could tell you Emery was a pipedream. It would have been hard to sign him even if he had been a MS kid. However, what the staff showed me there was confidence, and I like that a lot. Mullen wouldn't have even tried with Emery. We would be in the 30's right now with Don.
https://s3media.247sports.com/Upload...5/3115013.jpegQuote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
If we are expecting to get bunch of OOS composite 4-stars year in, year out, we'll most likely always be disappointed. I would rather worry about the composite 4-stats leaving our state at the moment
Ding, ding, dingQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
There are several of our committed, higher rated guys that Don wouldn't have now, and certainly wouldn't have in Feb. We have them, and we will sign most of them because we are recruiting the way we should be, top 20. Let ingenuity take care of the rest. Now, thus far we have been screwed on RB and WR targets. Absolutely screwed on one, for sure. For reasons that are bullshit. Our coaches have to deal with it the best way possible. At any rate, I could list some of the kids that we have now that Don would have missed on, but this discussion doesn't warrant that. We are the best program in the state.
We'll see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
I'll admit that it will be much easier to evaluate this staff's recruiting ability when Mississippi has a normal level of prospects.
I think much of the debate this year is centered around the uncertainty of how to judge the recruiting ability because the amount of in-state prospects is so far above the norm.
The optimists say "Look at who we have committed", which is a fair take, & the pessimist/realist say, "Well, look at how many more options there are" which is also a fair take.
The truth is that simply may not know how good they are until the amount of in-state prospects regresses to it's normal level.
Can we all agree on that?
This guy gets it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
I think that's a fair take.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
2019 OOS CommitsQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Garrett Shrader 9 SEC 17 P5 Offers
Ani 10 SEC 15 P5 Offers
Greg Brooks 7 SEC 12 P5 Offers
Quinton Torbor 5 SEC 7 P5 Offers
Darius Washington 4 SEC 11 P5 Offers
DJ James 6 SEC 8 P5 Offers
2018 OOS Commits (Only Guys who Committed to JoeMo)
Whop 11 SEC 20 P5 Offers
Aaron Brule 4 SEC 15 P5 Offers
So 8 OOS Guys with either 5 SEC offers or 10 P5 offers in 9 months
Mullen Last 3 classes 2016, 17, & their Commits from 18
Jaylen Mayden 3 SEC offers 15 P5 Offers
Keytaon Thompson 4 SEC Offers 10 P5 Offers
Tyler Dunning 5 SEC Offers 9 P5 Offers
Cordavian Suggs 3 SEC Offers 16 P5 Offers
Jamal Couch 7 SEC Offers 10 P5 Offers
Errol Thompson 6 SEC Offers 8 P5 Offers
Stewart Reese 9 SEC Offers 27 P5 Offers
Korey Charles 3 SEC Offers 11 P5 Offers
Christian Roberson 5 SEC Offers 16 P5 Offers
So in 9 months JoeMo has pretty much matched the OOS output of what I think most would call quality OOS Guys that Mullen signed the last 3 classes. So yes if you can't see the improvement of OOS recruiting then I don't know what to tell you.
I buy that....my biggest concern is a critical position group (RB) has been a disappointment so far for 2019. Joe may pull a rabbit out of his hat a sign Ealy or another top guy but it's looking more likely that we sign a project just in case one of our 2 scolly RB's can't go next year. I assure you that JM is not happy with our current situation for 2019 RB's and I would expect that he will make adjustments to his process in the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
I think another factor with our recruiting this year in Mississippi is our new staff hasn't been here for 1 season yet, not even a calendar year. They haven't had as much time to build relationships with this class, much less show recruits what kind of staff and team they can be. It's bad timing because of the size and quality of this recruiting class in Mississippi. I think our season may help with 1 or 2 guys this year but the '20 and '21 classes will tell the tale. I like our recruiting so far and I am anxious for the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
That's pretty impressive in just a few short months. Really shows the difference between what was being done in recruiting and what is being done NOW.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Good info.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Thank you for this. Very good to see
There really are not more than the ones you listed outside of Bennie Brown, and most of the ones you listed either did not make it to campus, were not actually an OOS state prospect, or had a composite rating of 85 and were a 3 star.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
ETA: you also left off Will Redmond, who we got put on probation for signing.
If we could flip Ealy, I would be more than satisfied. He's one of the top RB's in the country. I'm sure it will be hard to do because Jackson Prep seems to be Ole Miss leaning, and Ole Miss got him to commit early.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doggie_Style
But Ealy may not play college footballQuote:
Originally Posted by NCDawg
Maybe, but it's still worth taking the chance in my opinion. I think he will.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
We sign someone like Hall this year and get Tyree next year all will be well in RB land.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doggie_Style
Definitely agree, but you've got to sign two backs if you sign Ealy.Quote:
Originally Posted by NCDawg
What makes you think he will play college football?
Ealy is a 5-8 kid from the academy league. I know his highlights are insane, but are we sure he's a legit SEC back 2-3 years from now? I wonder what real coaches say about him?