THE 2020 MSU Football Recruiting Talk Thread

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Here's what I'm in favor of:

Doing whatever we have to do to get dynamic talent.

If our coaches think signing and placing Alex Adams gives us the best chance to get him either now or later, then that's what we should do.

You know who wins games? Teams with dynamic talent. I couldn't careless if we have 80 guys on scholarship or 85. Doesn't matter to me because those last 5 guys don't win or lose you games. Get impact players however you gotta do it. That's what wins games.

You know I'm right. So don't even attempt to argue this point.

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I don't disagree. My thing is I look at recruiting spots like draft picks. And if you don't use a spot in a recruiting class you are wasting a pick. To me, I'd rather take a chance on a guy that's "marginal" that really wants to be at MSU than not use a spot on a guy. And in this case I'd rather sign and place a guy than not use a spot for that matter.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I don't disagree. My thing is I look at recruiting spots like draft picks. And if you don't use a spot in a recruiting class you are wasting a pick. To me, I'd rather take a chance on a guy that's "marginal" that really wants to be at MSU than not use a spot on a guy. And in this case I'd rather sign and place a guy than not use a spot for that matter.

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If signing Adams actually improves our chances of getting him, then I look at it as trading a draft pick to move up.

I get your point, and while there is some value with those last spots, it's just not near enough.

The days of more loyalty to a program for signing and placing kids is gone. Way gone.

If Adams goes to JUCO, in 2 years he will go through recruiting process just like this year and like every other kid in the country does. That's why no one is signing grade risks anymore except for Mullen. He lost multiple top ranked players out of his class last year due to grades.

There's zero point in committing a for sure sign and place kid. Zero. Now if he's not for sure and you think you can get him on board with the right amount of work, I would be more amenable to that. But if he's 100% JUCO bound, there's no point. Like I said, loyalty is nothing anymore when it comes to recruiting. It's a business.

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

The days of more loyalty to a program for signing and placing kids is gone. Way gone.

If Adams goes to JUCO, in 2 years he will go through recruiting process just like this year and like every other kid in the country does. That's why no one is signing grade risks anymore except for Mullen. He lost multiple top ranked players out of his class last year due to grades.

There's zero point in committing a for sure sign and place kid. Zero. Now if he's not for sure and you think you can get him on board with the right amount of work, I would be more amenable to that. But if he's 100% JUCO bound, there's no point. Like I said, loyalty is nothing anymore when it comes to recruiting. It's a business.

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You are incorrect. Merry Christmas friend.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

If signing Adams actually improves our chances of getting him, then I look at it as trading a draft pick to move up.

I get your point, and while there is some value with those last spots, it's just not near enough.

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I don't view signing and placing Adams as a wasted spot. Just not using them.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I don't view signing and placing Adams as a wasted spot. Just not using them.

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Yes yes yes

Ari and IYOK, have missed your updates on this thread. Just by reading our remaining targets on 24/7, there are hardly any players that are even warm to signing with us. Got any news? Thanks.

just an interesting tidbit - L. Griffin working at corner in the under armor game practices

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Originally Posted by Irondawg

just an interesting tidbit - L. Griffin working at corner in the under armor game practices

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With Emerson, J Jones & Tyler Williams being young along with getting Forbes, i don't think we can spare a body at WR.

That being said, if J Jones is better at WR than CB & Griffin is better at CB than WR, then it may make some sense to switch them.

It does make me a little nervous though that our best WR signee isn't even good enough to play WR in the UA game.

Know it?s early but who do we think have the greatest chance of asking for a release of their LOI or current player transfers?

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Originally Posted by vv83

Know it?s early but who do we think have the greatest chance of asking for a release of their LOI or current player transfers?

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Not being naive, but I don't think there is anyone obvious. I'm sure you'll hear stuff, but it's meaningless until the new coach is hired & has a chance to sit down with the recruits, players, & families

Weren't we the best offer for a vast majority of our signees?

Forbes and Marks have said this doesn't change their plans, I think those are the 2 highest rated players in this class.

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Originally Posted by msbulldog

Forbes and Marks have said this doesn't change their plans, I think those are the 2 highest rated players in this class.

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Our admin has done a very good job disseminating information to our signees and are doing a great job keeping them informed on the process. We should be good with our class.

I dunno CC, Forbes found out on twitter.

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Originally Posted by msbulldog

I dunno CC, Forbes found out on twitter.

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It all happened pretty fast, but I know for a fact the signees have been spoken to personally and like what they have heard.

Walley said he talked to Brad Peterson this morning and Peterson told him we'd have a new HC within a week. Sounds like the message is staying the same from the remaining recruiting staff.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Walley said he talked to Brad Peterson this morning and Peterson told him we'd have a new HC within a week. Sounds like the message is staying the same from the remaining recruiting staff.

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I know Jaden very well and he's extremely excited about the future at MSU.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Walley said he talked to Brad Peterson this morning and Peterson told him we'd have a new HC within a week. Sounds like the message is staying the same from the remaining recruiting staff.

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I really hope our new coach finds an on-field spot for brad

I wonder if the new coach will put Janari Dean as a S or a RB?

You can't tell recruits that can opt out of a NLI about you firing your head coach before you do it publicly. Welcome to why social media has made schools lives so much more difficult.

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Originally Posted by ZedFedder

I wonder if the new coach will put Janari Dean as a S or a RB?

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He can't handle RB. Not durable enough.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

He can't handle RB. Not durable enough.

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...and how did you arrive to that

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Walley said he talked to Brad Peterson this morning and Peterson told him we'd have a new HC within a week. Sounds like the message is staying the same from the remaining recruiting staff.

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Thanks for info - this is so refreshing.

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

It all happened pretty fast, but I know for a fact the signees have been spoken to personally and like what they have heard.

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Can you expand on this CC?

Cohen said in his PC that they had talked to every recruit.

If it is Napier, are there any guys that:

1) Might be more interested in us with him coming in

2) On ULL's radar that would be interested in coming to MSU and are good enough to play SEC football

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Originally Posted by vv83

...and how did you arrive to that

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Because he's stayed banged up. He'll be on defense.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I really hope our new coach finds an on-field spot for brad

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I like him in his current off-field role.

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

If it is Napier, are there any guys that:

1) Might be more interested in us with him coming in

2) On ULL's radar that would be interested in coming to MSU and are good enough to play SEC football

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Possibly 2 or 3 guys to both of your questions? I don't expect a whole lot of turnover either way.

Edgerrin Cooper committed to A&M

Stinks, but oh well. He just wanted a brand name.

Not like we were going to be able to get him after changing coaches anyway.

We've got get to the point where we own Louisiana after LSU & Bama.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Edgerrin Cooper committed to A&M

Stinks, but oh well. He just wanted a brand name.

Not like we were going to be able to get him after changing coaches anyway.

We've got get to the point where we own Louisiana after LSU & Bama.

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That dude can run. Excellent closing speed. I agree, we need to sign 3-5 players from LA every year.

Now that joe is gone, can some of you admit the legend of Moorhead's recruiting is more myth than fact? Mullen's last 3 classes avg'd out at 23.3; Moorhead's 3 classes avg out at 26. To be fair, Mullen's best class is in that 3 year period, so let's toss best for each in that 3-year period... mullen then is 26, and Moorhead is at 27. There was never a nickel's difference between the two, yet one was proclaimed horrible and the other an ace.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Now that joe is gone, can some of you admit the legend of Moorhead's recruiting is more myth than fact? Mullen's last 3 classes avg'd out at 23.3; Moorhead's 3 classes avg out at 26. To be fair, Mullen's best class is in that 3 year period, so let's toss best for each in that 3-year period... mullen then is 26, and Moorhead is at 27. There was never a nickel's difference between the two, yet one was proclaimed horrible and the other an ace.

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Mullen was not balanced and left some major holes to fill, out of laziness. Other than that, not much difference.

How could we have three top 25 classes in a row if they average out to 26?

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Originally Posted by Hambone

How could we have three top 25 classes in a row if they average out to 26?

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28, 24, 27... actually 26.3 now. Someone must have jumped us this morning.

I Thought we had 22 signees and now 247 has 21 listed. Am I wrong?

It's a top 25 class. The composite rankings are meaningless, especially when one service doesn't get any subscribers.

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Originally Posted by Bothrops

It's a top 25 class. The composite rankings are meaningless, especially when one service doesn't get any subscribers.

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247 has it 26th

ETA... not that there's any difference, just saying