I don't believe the NCAA allows you to sign and place anymore. That doesn't mean we won't place Adams at Co-Lin. He just may not be in the class.
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I don't believe the NCAA allows you to sign and place anymore. That doesn't mean we won't place Adams at Co-Lin. He just may not be in the class.
Nothing they can do to stop it. But the league limit basically makes it impossible unless you only have a very limited number of scholarships to giveQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
The NCAA rule is you get 25 new schollys each year. If they make it to campus or not... "sign and place" or offering marginal qualifiers is all but dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Penn st signed 27 todayQuote:
Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins
We can sign 26.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
First, that's an sec rule as far as signing. The 25 rule for scholarships is no different than it has been in forever..... Second, for the sec , All but dead and allowing it are two different things. Clearly you didn't read my post very well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins
Deontae Lawson puts us in his top 10. 4 star OLB out of Mobile. Has a lot of solid teams in his Top 10.
Any chances there?? Would be a big get for Moorhead pulling that one off.
I'm sure a blue blood will find a spot for him and we'll never hear of him again.Quote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
Its an SEC rule because it is an NCAA rule..... so, yeah, it is an SEC rule.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
https://web3.ncaa.org/lsdbi/reports/getReport/90008
13.9.3.3 Limitation on Number of National Letter of Intent/Offer of Financial Aid Signings -- Bowl
Subdivision Football. [FBS] In bowl subdivision football, there shall be an annual limit of 25 on the number of
prospective student-athletes who may sign a National Letter of Intent or an institutional offer of financial aid and studentathletes who may sign a financial aid agreement for the first time. [D] (effective 8/1/17 for signings that occur on or after 8/1/17)
13.9.3.3.1 Application. [FBS] A prospective student-athlete who signs a National Letter of Intent or an
institutional offer of financial aid or a student-athlete who signs a financial aid agreement that specifies financial aid
will be initially provided in the fall term of an academic year shall count toward the annual limit on signings for that
academic year. A prospective student-athlete who signs a National Letter of Intent or an institutional offer of financial
aid or a student-athlete who signs a financial aid agreement that specifies financial aid will be initially provided during
the second or third term of the academic year may count toward the limit for that academic year or the limit for the
next academic year. (Adopted: 1/14/12 effective 8/1/12, Revised: 4/26/17 effective 8/1/17 for signings that occur on or after
8/1/17)
ETA: if you sign a non-qualifier that scholly is tied up until the next term regardless of if the kid qualifies or not. Hence, the sign and place practice = dead.
The 25 limit is for first-time enrolls, per calendar year; so as long as they had two unused schollys leftover from the previous year (and those two enroll before 2020) they count against the 2019 class not 2020.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
ETA: A grad transfer also wouldn't count toward the 25 since they are not first-time awardees, they only count against the 85..... I think.
CorrectQuote:
Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins
Such an inferiority complexQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Not really. Just pointing out the stupidity of the system.Quote:
Originally Posted by StateDawg44
Just make him feel appreciated. Nothing complicated and have him visit.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Yeah but Mobile is less than 20 miles from MS. So it's basically MS. So 9 out of 10 times we should get a kid like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Whatever is convenient for your complaint in this hour I guess.
Well you're complaining about me. What's the difference?Quote:
Originally Posted by StateDawg44
You're just as negative if not more.
Where in my two posts is there even one complaint? I called you out for making a post similar to what me and others were arguing with you about in another thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Then you deflected.
Then I stated you like to change your narrative to fit whatever it is you are posting about this time. No complaints here. These are facts.
I'm pretty sure everyone here knows who is more negative and complains more. What a joke that comment is.
It is true the main thing I'm really ever negative on here towards is you or other dumb comments. I don't deny that. It seems you bring out the worst in people. Kudos to you.
I can't imagine waking up every day and worrying about a message board poster being negative.Quote:
Originally Posted by StateDawg44
That life must suck.
I'll out-negative both of you... now back to recruiting, what's our target board look like starting with long shots to actually got a good shot?
I'm in no way an expert or know what the board will necessarily look like now, Ari/IYOK/Homedawg and others will have a good read on that stuff, but going off of what's been said on 247 for a while, seems like these names might be some we look at going forward:Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
OL- Jalen St. John, Quantavious Leslie, Marcus Henderson (but has hinted at wanting to play DL instead of OL), Kahlil Benson, and Dylan Spencer
OLB- Edgerrin Cooper & Devyn Curtis (if I had to guess, think this will be a spot we really see some new names pop up)
Sounds like we might look to add an older Safety possibly through the portal and same goes with WR. Or might see Rufus & Alex Adams pick up some steam at WR too.
Regardless of what HS guys we add in Feb., hopefully there's enough attrition from the current roster that we 100% go after a grad transfer WR in the portal.
Can anyone give more information about Selman and Threatt as secondary prospects. They were probably our two least talked about recruits and we took them early despite having a ton of SEC level DB's in MS, AL, LA.
Selman was a 4 star until he got injured, or committed to MSU, one or the other. Threatt is a kid that had a pretty good season in the secondary. That's all I've got.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irondawg
He was a high 4 star at the beginning, like a 95. Then was a fringe low 4 star right before he committed then just kept fallingQuote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
Hinds CC Rodney Hawkins,Jr. lists himself as WR/DB on Twitter. Announced he will be furthering his football and academic career at MSU.
Preferred walk-on? Height/weight? Juco stats? Offense or Defense?
He got injured and went to a camp shortly after his injury. Didn't have a good showing because he was still injured. When healthy he is really good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
We will sign and place Adams.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
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Originally Posted by Todd4State
The NCAA will allow you to sign and place, but when you do, then you can't use that scholarship for any other potential signee. You don't do that very much now (rarely), but Adams is worth the risk.
I agree. Especially with our wide receiver situation being what it is. Any way we can get another potential four star immediately or in two years is worth the risk.Quote:
Originally Posted by yjnkdawg
There's zero point in signing and placing. We're about to be at a scholarship shortage. Adams will go to CoLin and we can sign him later. There's no benefit whatsoever in a sign and place. Just let him do a commitment presser and have his day then let him sign his Juco papers.
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Actually we're typically at a self imposed shortage anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
WrongQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Absolutely correct, Coot!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
So what is the definition of a first time enrollee? Sounds like it is a player who has not enrolled at any four year college previously?Quote:
Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins
We undersigned every year except for two since 2011.Quote:
Originally Posted by msu15
Here's what I'm in favor of:
Doing whatever we have to do to get dynamic talent.
If our coaches think signing and placing Alex Adams gives us the best chance to get him either now or later, then that's what we should do.
You know who wins games? Teams with dynamic talent. I couldn't careless if we have 80 guys on scholarship or 85. Doesn't matter to me because those last 5 guys don't win or lose you games. Get impact players however you gotta do it. That's what wins games.
You know I'm right. So don't even attempt to argue this point.
Give me Adams and Harvey instead of just Adams. Because that's literally a possibility. I'll take two WRs bs one. And that signing BS doesn't matter to Adams if he knows he's going Juco. He could do a MSU signing presser and sign Juco papers without ever signing with us.
This isn't hard to figure out.
If we don't sign and place him someone else will and we won't get him in 2 years. He is too good to let someone else place him. We are going to sign him because he is still being fed by everyone that they can get him eligible. In 5 months when he finds out he can't get eligible the school that signs him will place him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
+1. That's the only angle that would make sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius