Dinkins & Williams along with the transfer guys is 2 to 3 deep and SEC talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
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Dinkins & Williams along with the transfer guys is 2 to 3 deep and SEC talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
The DL was average. The LB play was poor along with the secondary. There's not much a DL can do when you're playing majority 3 down lineman vs 5 or 6 OL each play.Quote:
Originally Posted by msu15
I want to agree with you, but even if healthy Dinkins and Williams are average SEC guys. I really like the Whitson kid, he is a clear upgrade.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
That's all you need if they're backups.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
As someone that played in the trenches I disagree pretty strongly. To each their own.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
I agree with you. Our DL was BAD. No way around it.Quote:
Originally Posted by msu15
Bad is generous. I know injuries, but the Arkansas game was the worst DL I think I've ever watched in CFB... not just MSU games. Non existent that game.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
A nice corner prospect just hit the portal - Michael Coats, an ALL MWC performer from Nevada. He would be a perfect fit.
It was non existent most games. But we were in a Catch 22. We couldn't get home if we sent 3 or 4, but would have receivers running open if we blitzed. I thought the Egg Bowl we did a great job of disguising coverage until the snap.Quote:
Originally Posted by DEDawg
Open the checkbook. I want him, the DE from Clemson, the DT from Coastal then whatever Lebby ends up doing at WRQuote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
We're not getting the DE from Clemson. I doubt we even are able to get in the game with him. We will get the DT from Coastal and Lebby still has plenty of time at WR.Quote:
Originally Posted by DEDawg
I figured as much, but I'm still in Christmas miracle modeQuote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
You just need to put the DE from Clemson out of your mind. He's not comingQuote:
Originally Posted by DEDawg
As someone who played in the SEC with elite talent and SEC talent I stand on my foundation.Quote:
Originally Posted by msu15
Name the DL that played with Chris Jones. Name the DL with Simmons. Were they SEC talent? At MSU there's typically one elite guy surrounded with SEC talent. The elite teams have elite depth. However, we've found our formula for success.Quote:
Originally Posted by msu15
Jones: Nelson Adams, Ryan Brown, Jonathan Calvin, Torrey Dale, Braxton Hoyett, Nick James, AJ JeffersonQuote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
Simmons: Corey Thomas, Gerri Green, Grant Harris, Fletcher Adams, Montez Sweat, Marquiss Spencer
Those were some DUDES. They were SEC guys. Most were depth guys, but SEC depth guys. We don't have any guys like that. We have G5 depth guys. We'd kill for a Braxton Hoyett or a Fletcher Adams or a Grant Harris or even a Ryan Brown on this team.
One or two were dudes. The rest were SEC talented guys if they were dudes they would have been NFL guys. Simmons and Sweat were dudes. Jones played with SEC talent. The transfer guys signed are proven or guys with high ceilings. It's up to the coaching to bring it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
If the current coaches can't sign or bring out talent Mullen will upon his return.
Dan isn't coming back. I can say that with pretty much 100% confidence. There were talks last year and he had no interest. He only took the UNLV job because Bishop Gorman is such a good HS that his son will get recognition and the AAU circuit is huge in Vegas now.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
There's also the Zach Arnett piece to it. We will never let him back in our building again.
-Brown played in the NFL for two seasons or so,Calvin played in the NFL for three seasons, Hoyett as well. AJ made it to final cuts with Rams.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
-Corey played for two seasons in NFL, Gerri at least four seasons,Sweat well obviously, and Spencer spent at least two years in NFL.
So our DL weren?t just some chumps, they were NFL level talent. And people say Mullen couldn?t recruit ha.
Kelly Ahkaraiyi declared for the draft today. We're in the market for 2 WRs again.
Honestly, the only place Mullen really struggled over the long run was recruiting highly rated WR's. It never showed in the ratings but he recruited higher than the services gave him credit for and that became the de facto message board fodder, Mullen couldn't recruit. He wasn't the best recruiter but he was a damn good talent projector.Quote:
Originally Posted by BankerDog
Mullen knew what he wanted. He didn't like chasing stars, especially after the Newton fiasco and the Quay Evans saga. He figured out he could develop and once every 3-4 years really compete. He knew his scheming and coaching would win 6-8 games every year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
I guess some guys are just ready to take their shot even if the odds are against them.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
If you go back and look at the schedule, he got Kentucky every year and for some reason I think we played Vandy 2-3 times with him. Throw in the fact that the bears were a trainwreck, and his floor most seasons was 6 wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
That said, I'd drive to Vegas today and drive him back here if he was willing.
He wouldn't have been eligible for another year even under the new JUCO ruling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irondawg
Sir, stop it. Every coach like stars and recruits them, Mullen included. The big difference is Mullen didn't solely rely on stars. He was/is a rarity which is a true developer program.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
His son isn't getting recognition unless he can play. And unless he pulls height from a great great grandfather being a 5'8 guard wouldn't get hiim far.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Mullen didn't really recruit them tbh. I mean I can count the high 4 and 5 stars we were on under Mullen on two hands. And that's not a knock on Dan. He knew what he needed. Whether that guy had 2 stars by his name or 5. I mean I can tell you with unequivocal confidence that Bernardrick McKinney(2 star out of Rosa Fort) was a better college player and pro than Robert Nkemdiche(5 star and number 1 player in the country). Dan didn't need guys like that, he'd take them if he evaluated them and liked them, see Mackensie Alexander who we had until Signing Day. Mullen was an evaluation master, along with Hevesy. He could potential where no one was else was even looking, see Elgton or Darius Slay or Braxton Hoyett.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
He's already 6'2 or 6'3. He got his height from Meghan.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
NiceQuote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I thought his kid was a golfer?Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
Then he grew. Cannon is actually a pretty good basketball player. Probably not P4, but he's got some talent. Plays for the Atlanta Celtics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tripp McNeely
Very interesting to see John Lewis still hasn't found a home. I figured he would've just committed to USM by now. I mean I don't think he's a LBer at the SEC level, but I think he could be a pretty good G5 LB. Then again, could be a situation where he and his representation are overvaluing him.
Denver Harris in the portal
If his crap is together, may be the best in the portal on pure talent. But he has self sabotaged twice now. Good reports from UTSA though this past year. Even worked through a lot of little injuries this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by msu15
We'll be a player for him. I'd expect us to take him and either Coats from Nevada or Stephen Hall from WSU. Kind of an either/or situation there. Still a bit early to tell who we have a better shot at. If I had to guess now, it'd be Hall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
No thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by msu15
Well we're probably taking him. I'll just go ahead and prepare you for that one. Also, I can guarantee you he's better than Khaumari Rodgers, Raydar, or Montre Miller and we had all those guys on the roster this year. He AT WORST can be a depth piece for you and fight for the 3rd corner position with Elijah Cannon, Jayven Williams, and Kyle Johnson. If he's healthy and ready to compete I would imagine he could win that job and push Kelley Jones.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
I know. And it's a stupid decision. Plenty of younger and more talented CBs with production and MS ties that are available and we're taking a guy with baggage that hasn't done anything for 3 different schools in 3 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Corey Bell has moved past David Turner in level of incompetence.
Well those corners have to be interested first. That's generally a pretty important part of this process. We also are on two corners that have MS ties in Hall and Coats. Heck maybe we take both. I doubt it, but we could. Also, he apparently did enough that UTSA coaches were trying like hell to keep him.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1