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11-30-2019, 10:16 PM
ScottH

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

People are pissed but the admin isn't back down. This is bad guys. Bad bad. We've somehow managed to self impose something worse than probation. We've alienated our money guys and fan base all at the same time. I get they can tell the boosters to F-off with the TV money coming in, but the empty stadium isn't something they'll be able to recover from. I'm honestly worried that's where this is headed.

Amateur AD.
Impotent President.
Money guys who aren't nearly as monied as they think.
Alienated fan base.

What did I miss?
11-30-2019, 10:17 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by runwildjerious

If we keep him it will be a ghost town. How do they not realize this? Are they really happy with the way our team has performed the past two years?

Shit like this pisses me off. I was happy when Cohen was named AD because I thought he wouldn’t be ok with underachieving at MSU. Looks like I was way off on him.

I feel the same way, man.
11-30-2019, 10:17 PM
the_real_MSU_is_us

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Originally Posted by DDawg

Let me tell you, this is a guy who would be a coming from a major role. Has been wanting to get back into college for a while and would have 100 times the impact of Napier OR Norvell. However, there would be more questions with his hire than those two but it was a very interesting candidate to be thrown into the mix. Apparently, he has a close personal connection with someone inside the athletic department who gauged his interest which there was alot more than they could have anticipated.

So... defensive, went somewhere in LA, currently coaching in the carolinas... I looked at the HCs of the carolina FCS schools and found nothing, als othe DCs of Duke, wake, NC, NC State, SC, and Clemson, and found nothing. But the other guy said "Not a coordinator from a normal program".

I looked further, think I may have found him. does he have a tie to Grambling State by chance?
11-30-2019, 10:18 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by ScottH

Amateur AD.
Impotent President.
Money guys who aren't nearly as monied as they think.
Alienated fan base.

What did I miss?

Connect 4, you win!
11-30-2019, 10:18 PM
KB21

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Yeah no thanks. I want an offensive mind. Hell, even Saban's teams are losing after scoring 40+ these days. Defense is still important, but I want a head coach with an offensive background in today's college football

Don?t get caught up in whether a coach is offensive minded or defensive minded. You should be looking to identify the best head coaching candidate.
11-30-2019, 10:19 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

So... defensive, went somewhere in LA, currently coaching in the carolinas... I looked at the HCs of the carolina FCS schools and found nothing, als othe DCs of Duke, wake, NC, NC State, SC, and Clemson, and found nothing. But the other guy said "Not a coordinator from a normal program".

I looked further, think I may have found him. does he have a tie to Grambling State by chance?

The name was posted shortly after. You figured it out
11-30-2019, 10:19 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by KB21

Don?t get caught up in whether a coach is offensive minded or defensive minded. You should be looking to identify the best head coaching candidate.

And most of them are offensive minded/former OC's. Obviously I want the best guy...and if Saban or Smart are available come on down. I could live with Grantham with the right OC hire. But no thanks to a rando DC from the NFL. No thanks
11-30-2019, 10:19 PM
the_real_MSU_is_us

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Originally Posted by ScottH

Amateur AD.
Impotent President.
Money guys who aren't nearly as monied as they think.
Alienated fan base.

What did I miss?

We have a horrible coach that doesn't want to be here, has no incentive to recruit hard, or develop our young players, or make staff changes
11-30-2019, 10:19 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

People are pissed but the admin isn't back down. This is bad guys. Bad bad. We've somehow managed to self impose something worse than probation. We've alienated our money guys and fan base all at the same time. I get they can tell the boosters to F-off with the TV money coming in, but the empty stadium isn't something they'll be able to recover from. I'm honestly worried that's where this is headed.

Have you heard anything about Joe looking for other jobs or is he just gonna stay put?
11-30-2019, 10:20 PM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

People are pissed but the admin isn't back down. This is bad guys. Bad bad. We've somehow managed to self impose something worse than probation. We've alienated our money guys and fan base all at the same time. I get they can tell the boosters to F-off with the TV money coming in, but the empty stadium isn't something they'll be able to recover from. I'm honestly worried that's where this is headed.

I don't understand the admin's angle on keeping Joe.

Why are they attaching themselves so hard to him?
11-30-2019, 10:22 PM
the_real_MSU_is_us

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

And most of them are offensive minded/former OC's

Yeah defensive minded coaches seem to flop at higher rates than offensive guys do. My guess is offensive identity is harder to instill and carry on over time if you have to rely on an OC to do it, but defensive identity can be picked up from a DC easily. See Grantham.
11-30-2019, 10:24 PM
runwildjerious

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I don't understand the admin's angle on keeping Joe.

Why are they attaching themselves so hard to him?

Exactly! It is mind boggling.

EVERYONE knows how this is going to end. Why not go ahead and be done with it. The original hire was not a mistake (seemingly). The fact that he is still here is the mistake. I cannot believe John is ok losing his job because of this man.
11-30-2019, 10:24 PM
DogsofAnarchy

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Originally Posted by ILOATHEBears

You know reading all these threads each with anticipation of news of a change is about as entertaining as the ?ITS COMING? threads back in the day

I started that thread back in the day. I hated that Broussard kid got killed.
11-30-2019, 10:25 PM
msbulldog

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

John would probably do better

If that happened, I bet the Ref's would think twice before screwing us!
11-30-2019, 10:26 PM
DDawg

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I don't understand the admin's angle on keeping Joe.

Why are they attaching themselves so hard to him?

They do not have a choice at this point. IB apparently told him that it while on the outside it seemed like a fluid situation he was going to try to keep him around. After his press conference Moorhead drew a line in the sand between the admin and the "minority" of the fans that JoMo said to basically go to hell. Turns out the minority was either alot larger than he expected AND/OR alot more powerful.
11-30-2019, 10:26 PM
ScottH

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Originally Posted by runwildjerious

Exactly!
EVERYONE knows how this is going to end. Why not go ahead and be done with it.

"What should be done eventually, must be done immediately" ~ Jeremy Foley
11-30-2019, 10:27 PM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

People are pissed but the admin isn't back down. This is bad guys. Bad bad. We've somehow managed to self impose something worse than probation. We've alienated our money guys and fan base all at the same time. I get they can tell the boosters to F-off with the TV money coming in, but the empty stadium isn't something they'll be able to recover from. I'm honestly worried that's where this is headed.

This this this!
11-30-2019, 10:27 PM
parabrave

Well at least we are saving 75 million
11-30-2019, 10:29 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by DDawg

They do not have a choice at this point. IB apparently told him that it while on the outside it seemed like a fluid situation he was going to try to keep him around. After his press conference Moorhead drew a line in the sand between the admin and the "minority" of the fans that JoMo said to basically go to hell. Turns out the minority was either alot larger than he expected AND/OR alot more powerful.

So this has completely blown up in Cohen's face?
11-30-2019, 10:30 PM
the_real_MSU_is_us

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Originally Posted by DDawg

They do not have a choice at this point. IB apparently told him that it while on the outside it seemed like a fluid situation he was going to try to keep him around. After his press conference Moorhead drew a line in the sand between the admin and the "minority" of the fans that JoMo said to basically go to hell. Turns out the minority was either alot larger than he expected AND/OR alot more powerful.

Why would Cohen try to "keep him around"? What is he possibly seeing that implies we're as well coached as other SEC teams, and why would he be willing to support Joe against the vast majority of fans boosters, and presumably his own president? He's really willing to fight the whole world to keep a bad coach around 1 more year?

And what does " they do not have a choice at this point" mean, surely the boosters are powerful enough to force Cohens hand right
11-30-2019, 10:31 PM
DDawg

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

So this has completely blown up in Cohen's face?

Word around the department is that Cohen was furious with his presser and thats why he hauled ass out of there as soon as it was over. Essentially the situation was handle with care and Moorhead blew that all up.
11-30-2019, 10:32 PM
TALL DAWG

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Originally Posted by DDawg

I?m glad someone started this thread so I didn?t have to.

This is a burner account for me, I can?t post what I?m about to because if I was doing it on my normal (8000+ post) account I would be risking the family connections I have as many people here know me personally and understand what I mean.

Rose bowl was correct that IB and Morevester met for a couple hours today, however he was wrong REAL wrong about the outcome of that meeting. After his tweet, many big shots in the cigar boys club who were already riled up about the post game interview met their breaking point and let it be known. I know for a fact one donor vowed to stop his 6 figure donations until the savant was gone.

Long story short. Moorhead was given an ultimatum that while you are the coach as of now, lets just say there?s a man down in Louisiana who may be having a big press conference of his own once they finish up their championship game....

U joined in Nov, have 22 posts and u know what is going on?
If u are correct u should be given $20m in v-cash.

I will not ever believe anything from anyone on here concerning our coaches
unless and until it actually happens.
11-30-2019, 10:32 PM
dawgday166

Last night I read somewhere that Cohen had been going to practices quite a lot since AU game. And that he was pissed at Joe and didn't think he was the guy.
11-30-2019, 10:34 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I don't understand the admin's angle on keeping Joe.

Why are they attaching themselves so hard to him?

It doesn’t make sense to me at all either. The guy has split the fan base, told the cigar boys to kick rocks, told the fans he doesn’t care what we think about him....so let’s give him another year AND extend him.

Read out loud what I just typed and how silly that sounds. And then realize that’s what we just did.

Just give him the 6 million of the Leo Seal money and wish him well.

The only way this gets fixed is without Joe. That should be very apparent.
11-30-2019, 10:35 PM
DDawg

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

Why would Cohen try to "keep him around"? What is he possibly seeing that implies we're as well coached as other SEC teams, and why would he be willing to support Joe against the vast majority of fans boosters, and presumably his own president? He's really willing to fight the whole world to keep a bad coach around 1 more year?

And what does " they do not have a choice at this point" mean, surely the boosters are powerful enough to force Cohens hand right

Cohen and Joe are extremely close friends. Talk on the phone for hours at a time after games and regularly meet, Thats one reason I wasnt suprised when he was defending him with Finebaum when he was on campus that was only the tip of the iceberg. Honestly, any other AD in the country would have probably fired him after that show he gave Thurs combined with everything else but apparently their personal relationship is what is getting in the way of any change being made. Cohen going to bat for his guy is what it boils down to.
11-30-2019, 10:35 PM
MetEdDawg

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Last night I read somewhere that Cohen had been going to practices quite a lot since AU game. And that he was pissed at Joe and didn't think he was the guy.

Sounds like boosters are bitching out and the money and backing isn't there.

I think a lot of this board has Cohen pegged wrong. He's the Intense Bastard for a reason folks. You gave him that name because of how he acts.

I can't imagine he's sitting around twittling his thumbs without a clue what's going on. My guess is he's got a plan and he can't get enough backing on one side or the other. So we sit here in limbo until the needle is moved enough in one direction.
11-30-2019, 10:36 PM
the_real_MSU_is_us

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Originally Posted by DDawg

Word around the department is that Cohen was furious with his presser and thats why he hauled ass out of there as soon as it was over. Essentially the situation was handle with care and Moorhead blew that all up.

So Cohen was tying to slime his way into keeping Joe despite literally everyone wanting Joe gone, but Joe flipping off our fans and boosters made it harder for him, but he still stuck by him? Why? What the hell does Cohen see that he's willing to fight the people who wright the checks he needs them to?

I was willing to give Cohen a pass on hiring Moorhead because we all thought it would work... but to actually fight to save him now is an inexcusable error isn't judgment. Apparently 90% of us can evaluate football coaches better than him. He's gotta go
11-30-2019, 10:36 PM
Rex54

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Originally Posted by DDawg

Word around the department is that Cohen was furious with his presser and thats why he hauled ass out of there as soon as it was over. Essentially the situation was handle with care and Moorhead blew that all up.

So say the magic two words, “you’re. fired.” - Then call up every donor who gives five figures or more and raise the buyout money. Tell them “Joe told me to my face he wished Sherman’s March would have gone from Jackson to Starkville” so please help me rid myself of this meddlesome coach.
11-30-2019, 10:36 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by DDawg

Word around the department is that Cohen was furious with his presser and thats why he hauled ass out of there as soon as it was over. Essentially the situation was handle with care and Moorhead blew that all up.

Then again- just fire him. If that’s true.
11-30-2019, 10:36 PM
runwildjerious

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Last night I read somewhere that Cohen had been going to practices quite a lot since AU game. And that he was pissed at Joe and didn't think he was the guy.

Then he needs to do something about it.

I also realize that just because it hasn’t happened on the timeline I would prefer doesn’t mean it isn’t going to happen. But why put word out that we are keeping (and extending!) him?
11-30-2019, 10:37 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

Sounds like boosters are bitching out and the money and backing isn't there.

I think a lot of this board has Cohen pegged wrong. He's the Intense Bastard for a reason folks. You gave him that name because of how he acts.

I can't imagine he's sitting around twittling his thumbs without a clue what's going on. My guess is he's got a plan and he can't get enough backing on one side or the other. So we sit here in limbo until the needle is moved enough in one direction.

And if that’s the case again- break the glass on the Leo Seal money.
11-30-2019, 10:38 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Last night I read somewhere that Cohen had been going to practices quite a lot since AU game. And that he was pissed at Joe and didn't think he was the guy.

Cohen always goes to practice. That's not new.
11-30-2019, 10:38 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by DDawg

Cohen and Joe are extremely close friends. Talk on the phone for hours at a time after games and regularly meet, Thats one reason I wasnt suprised when he was defending him with Finebaum when he was on campus that was only the tip of the iceberg. Honestly, any other AD in the country would have probably fired him after that show he gave Thurs combined with everything else but apparently their personal relationship is what is getting in the way of any change being made. Cohen going to bat for his guy is what it boils down to.

Yeah, it's time for Cohen to go. He's his boss not his BFF. This is a total cluster and it looks like it's on Cohen. Wow.
11-30-2019, 10:38 PM
defiantdog

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Originally Posted by DDawg

Word around the department is that Cohen was furious with his presser and thats why he hauled ass out of there as soon as it was over. Essentially the situation was handle with care and Moorhead blew that all up.

Cohen always hauls out of the press conferences. Most of the time, he leaves before they even start.
11-30-2019, 10:39 PM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by DDawg

Cohen and Joe are extremely close friends. Talk on the phone for hours at a time after games and regularly meet, Thats one reason I wasnt suprised when he was defending him with Finebaum when he was on campus that was only the tip of the iceberg. Honestly, any other AD in the country would have probably fired him after that show he gave Thurs combined with everything else but apparently their personal relationship is what is getting in the way of any change being made. Cohen going to bat for his guy is what it boils down to.

You gotta be freakin kidding me. I've never said Fire Cohen but now I am. His ass needs to go if his bonding with Joe not only hosed up a coaching hiring but now also the subsequent firing.

ETA: And if they'd quit "talking on the phone for hours" maybe Joe would watch some damn game film a little between games.
11-30-2019, 10:39 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by runwildjerious

Then he needs to do something about it.

I also realize that just because it hasn’t happened on the timeline I would prefer doesn’t mean it isn’t going to happen. But why put word out that we are keeping (and extending!) him?

Yeah there are some things that aren’t adding up to me at all.

Heck might as well bite the bullet because we’re going to be doing the same thing next year. Unless Cohen ****s that up too.
11-30-2019, 10:39 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by DDawg

Cohen and Joe are extremely close friends. Talk on the phone for hours at a time after games and regularly meet, Thats one reason I wasnt suprised when he was defending him with Finebaum when he was on campus that was only the tip of the iceberg. Honestly, any other AD in the country would have probably fired him after that show he gave Thurs combined with everything else but apparently their personal relationship is what is getting in the way of any change being made. Cohen going to bat for his guy is what it boils down to.

Cohen is an ass. He doesn't have any friends. Just telling the truth.
11-30-2019, 10:40 PM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Last night I read somewhere that Cohen had been going to practices quite a lot since AU game. And that he was pissed at Joe and didn't think he was the guy.

If that's the case the Cohen should be fired, not for what he thought about Joe but it ain't his job to be going to practice.
11-30-2019, 10:40 PM
MetEdDawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

And if that’s the case again- break the glass on the Leo Seal money.

I said it weeks ago and I'm gonna stand by it.

I don't think we are good for the money. I honestly don't believe our resources are willing to pony up what it takes. We ar clearly missing something here.

There's too much he said this and source said this. Nothing concrete. Just conjecture and supposition. To me, there's no way Cohen allows crap to go down like it has and look like he's getting steamrolled. He's not the Intense Bastard because he gets rolled over. It's because he's got a little ass to him.

This situation seems out of his control. It's not his style for us to be grapevining all this crap with zero concrete evidence to pull from. He's been active on Twitter today too. So something must be going on where he's having to let some things play out.
11-30-2019, 10:40 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

You gotta be freakin kidding me. I've never said Fire Cohen but now I am. His ass needs to go if his bonding with Joe not only hosed up a coaching hiring but now also the subsequent firing.

I have some land on the coast of x country. Would you like to buy it. It's worth millions??!!!.....

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