Why? All he said was that he will teach his kids that they don't have to agree with certain lifestyles. Aren't YOU sort of being the intolerant one here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ennis Del Mar
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Why? All he said was that he will teach his kids that they don't have to agree with certain lifestyles. Aren't YOU sort of being the intolerant one here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ennis Del Mar
Fishwater =I believe you started a hot topic here. I'm glad to see so many Christians step up to the plate that can express themselves much better than I can.
I won't stay in this long, but here are my thoughts....
If my best friend cheated on his wife, I would tell him how much I disapprove of what he did....but I would still be his friend because we all make mistakes and who am I to judge.
I feel the same way about homosexuals. If I have a homosexual friend that asks me what I think of his being gay, I will tell him that I disapprove of that lifestyle....but I will still be his friend and not hold that over his head, bc who am I to judge.
Now, if my friend started bragging and holding press conferences about how he cheated on his wife....It would piss me off and I would tell him that he is wrong for making it a spectacle. Same goes for the homosexual friend.
It's kind of like needing an emergency surgery, and the nurse coming in and saying "well, I must tell you that your doctor is gay". Is that going to keep me from letting him do the surgery? Hell no. And it's also information that didn't need to be shared with me in the first place, because I don't give a shit about your sex life or sexual orientation. So in other words, it's not a big deal if homosexuals don't make a spectacle of it.
And just because I don't share your same viewpoint, doesn't make me wrong for mine. "Equality" and "judging" someone works both ways.....Something the liberal and homosexual crowd seem to forget while bashing and judging those that don't agree with them.
Ennis, it sounds like you think we should all be bowing down to you. Damn you must be an asshole to be around. One of those always has to be right guys that thinks you are better than everybody else. You have got to be a "closet" Rebel. I have now read all 10 pages of this bullshit and there are some screwed up views on both sides of this fence on this board. But these are all of your opinions, and everyone is entitled to their own. My thoughts are that I believe in Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. That is my opinion, how I was raised, and what I believe! I hold no ill will toward gays, lesbians, and whatever the rest of that new politically correct term is. I have gay friends who I respect and admire for the people that they are. Doesn't mean that I agree with what goes on behind closed doors. I think that this 3 to 5 percent of the entire US population takes up way more than 3 to 5 percent of the news, tv shows, and movies out there. You can about name more shows on tv now that have the token gay person in it than you can shows that don't. Again, 3 to 5 percent of the entire US population is gay. Damn that small percentage has a LOUD voiceQuote:
Originally Posted by Ennis Del Mar
As far as the Michael Sam story goes, he and his agent were extremely smart in him coming out and creating this whirlwind before the draft. He would not have been drafted if he weren't gay period. He may have been the co-SEC player of the year on defense, and he earned that with his play on the field. But he is a true tweener. He has no true position in the NFL. He's too slow to be a linebacker and not big enough or strong enough to play with his hand down on the line. Every expert out there basically said this. Bill Polian said it best during the draft in the later rounds, teams always go for the numbers guys (meaning 40 times, bench press, vertical jump) with the later round picks and then go for the heart and effort guys in free agency. Polian said that Sam fell into this category. Now back to him being drafted and the cameras there. It had to be set up. The raw emotion he showed when the call came was actually great tv. I didn't even really mind the little smooch with his little tiny boy toy. But who the FREAK has a cake cutting on their draft day and proceeds to act like its wedding cake and smear it all over his face and then kiss it off for the world to see. This is all ESPN getting ratings, period! I would be willing to bet that none of the other 200 plus players did anything remotely similar to this and probably go back in the history of the draft and never see it either. This was all for show and to generate buzz on all their shows. It was about making Michael Sam a spectacle. And it worked. Dude is gonna get rich for being gay. He isn't gonna get rich because he is a football player. This will go down as one of the greatest player marketings of all time. Whoever his agent is, I bet all the big sports agent companies are trying to hire him away.
I'm using "hump" as a term referring to the thrusting of hips. Like when a dog mounts the shoulder of another dog and goes to town.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
I am no bonobo expert but have quite a bit of experience in ecological and animal sciences and I have never seen nor read where a male of any species purposely has actual intercourse with another male.
The natural world has natural laws that are followed in nature. Unless divinely created, humans are subject to those same laws of nature.
How is having a monogamous loving relationship with 1 other person the same as cheating on your wife? You see, one of those things is someone being a shitty person and cheating on his wife, while the other is a person just wanting to be with the person he/she loves. Those don't compute.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
No, they're both a sin according to my beliefs. Again, you don't have to feel the same way, but it doesn't make me wrong or you rightQuote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
Ah, ok. So, cheating on your wife, and/or breaking up another marriage, is the same as a man wanting to marry another man? Awesome.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
great post cadaver. not to mention the silicon valley CEO who was fired recently over donating $1,000 to a DOMA organization back in the time even barry himself was saying he thought a marriage should be between a man and a woman. chick filet outrage. those 2 twins who do good things with housing for the less fortunate on that t.v. show just got fired. all that crap with duck dynasty . the left winged blood hounds are sniffing around every nook and cranny to "out" anyone whose not "modern" enough for them. we are not out asking for heads to roll, the left is. they are the ones looking to destroy businesses (they needed to add another to their many other methods) and get people fired. I bet the left would even consider re-evaluating capital punishment if it could just be used exclusively for those against gay marriage.
Is a white lie the same as murdering someone? No. But it doesn't make them NOT both sins.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
A'hem....I'll just leave this here for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bully13
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Omg? Do you know anything about animals and polygomy?Quote:
Originally Posted by shoeless joe
Arguing science with a thumper is like talking compound physics with a redneck from SoSo
I didnt get past where you said adam and eve, not adam and steve. That automatically makes you an idiotQuote:
Originally Posted by whosyourdawgy
And apparently working on Sunday, wearing clothes of different materials, eating pork and shellfish, gluttony, short hair, tattoos, tattered clothing, a garden with "mingled seeds", etc. etc. I could go on and on....Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Leviticus is the literary equivalent to Buzz Killington.
I think Sam is a little "gayer" than the NFL bargained for and now they`ve got a full blown (no pun intended) mess on their hands. Couldn`t happen to a nicer group.
Not sure where you got all that crap. Sounds like a deflection attempt to avoid having to say, "well, you're right". But that's ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
It's a lot like your homosexual animal posts....you're having to stretch awfully far to try and back a point that you claim is so obvious
Its ANCHOR-MAN, NOT ANCHOR-LADY, AND THAT IS A SCIENTIFIC FACT!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ennis Del Mar
I'm not deflecting anything, Cadaver. I was merely point out the absurd amount of ridiculous "sins" that were apparently written in a book that is without flaws. I mean, if you wanted to, you could just say: "well, you're right...culture isn't in stasis...it changes....as do the norms that are placed on society....". But that's ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
sorry but I missed this story, a synopsis would be appreciated if you are so inclined.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
Unless you suddenly grew a mangina next to your penis...your "changes" and "evolution" when it comes to homosexuality over time still make no sense. Sorry. We can agree to disagree, but nature and several other things are strongly on my side in this debate, and no "get with the modern times" mess is going to change that.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
I'm not going to read through 11 pages of this, so I apologize if this point has already been raised, but:
Ever notice how the same people who get all riled up over gays because it's offensive to their Christian* beliefs never get riled up at all when Johnny Manziel shows up to every event with a different supermodel? In fact, those are usually the people applauding and envying him the most. I can assure you that Johnny's not saving himself or rejecting these women's advances...
*--well, really just their denomination, since many denominations of Christianity, such as Episcopals, most Lutherans, and the United Church of Christ, perform gay marriages and explictly don't consider it to be a sin
Its only a stretch for people who willfully ignore what happens in nature, I suppose.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Umm...you having to search for one animal species that nobody has ever heard of, is what I call "stretching". Again, sorry if you disagree. I'm out...better things to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
Not sure who you're referring to...but I am not a Manziel fan and never have been. He's good at college football thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Umm...I was responding to a post about homosexuality in animals. Not how many sex partners an animal has.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ennis Del Mar
And I know quite a bit about animal behavior. Would you like a resume?
Are you talking about changes in morphology via natural selection? And what "other things" are backing your claims? All I've gotten so far is that being gay is a "sin", much in the same way as "cheating on your wife".Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Uh...I didn't have to search for anything, nor would you if you'd taken an intro anthropology class. I know a lot of y'all don't subscribe to evolution, but still, I didn't think that the Bonobo was some obscure piece of trivial science that only elitist libs knew about. That's what I get, I guess....Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
So, Uhhh... Y'all think we can take 2 outta 3 at bama this week?
Lol....I hope so.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
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So someone that uses the n-word and believes black people should be slaves isn't wrong, he just has different beliefs than you?Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
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Originally Posted by dawgs
#PostModernism
Well if you got to that part then you saw all I needed you to see and you even helped to prove it for me. Thanks. You may want to read the rest because I actually talked about Michael Sam in my post, which is what this started out to be a thread about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ennis Del Mar
Some of y'all take the television too seriously. You can flip the channel. The only reason the media hypes anything is because they know people get fired up about this stuff. If folks wouldn't get so damn worked up when somebody gets attention for living differently than they do, they wouldn't try to capitalize on it every time they have the chance. This happens on all sides of the political/social spectrum.
Here's a good rule of thumb. The next time you see somebody on tv saying or doing something that physically upsets you, take a deep breath, go outside and look at some clouds or some trees, hug your wife, play with your kids, or anything productive and enjoyable. ESPN needs you more than you need it. It's spare time entertainment. Treat it as such.
Ok, I'll bite.Quote:
Originally Posted by M.Fillmore
I'm not previously familiar with any of these cases, but just from looking at the article you linked:
1. The school's policy was that no religious books were allowed to be read during "free reading time," not just the Bible. Your article specifically says that, so it's not discrimination against Christians. It sounds like a pretty dumb policy, but I don't know what incidents occurred at the school to make them enact the policy. I doubt they just made it up out of the blue one day.
2. If that story is accurate and is telling the whole story (considering the source, I'm skeptical), I would say that's probably overreach. However, there's no evidence that it's specifically targeted at Christians. I would assume a verse from the Qu'ran would be similarly disallowed, probably with the support of the people who are mad over this. Like #1, there may very well be a good reason that justifies this policy, but even if there's not, it's not like Christianity is being singled out...
3. An opinion piece from Chuck Norris? Not exactly a very good source on this type of thing. I find it very telling that the article doesn't mention what the disallowed Biblical reference was. I'm assuming this means it was a very controversial verse, such as an anti-gay one. Remember, the Air Force Academy is generally considered to be one of the 2 or 3 most conservative major colleges in the whole country, so if it's something that was too right wing there, it's not going to fly anywhere. Also, I see no evidence that this policy, if it is indeed real, was for Christians/the Bible only.
4. Well no shit. If I went and publicly made comments like this I'd get fired from my job. So would you. So would almost everyone, including Muslims, Jews, etc.
So to summarize, you have a couple examples that might be government overreach if your stories are completely accurate and unbiased, and there aren't unreported justifications behind them, but even then they aren't specifically targeted at Christians, but at religion as a whole. And you certainly haven't demonstrated how a couple of isolated incidents from all over the country somehow are a grand overarching national trend -- I could like stories about anti-black discrimation picked out from around the country, but that doesn't mean America = 1980s South Africa.
I had watched a ton of the draft and enjoyed it probably more than I should have. Actually hoping to hear LDP's name called. And I watched up to the cake cutting and I switched it afterwards because I knew that the rest of the draft was toast. And I've gone to be a little earlier and listened to a lot less talk radio during the day and surprisingly haven't missed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ckDOG
Ah, beat me to it. Well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Also, considering there are probably more Christian churches in this country than schools and hospitals combined, I feel comfortable in my characterization of the "war on Christianity" as mythical.
A lot of great posts in this thread. A lot of good thinking interspersed throughout. Appreciate whoever decided to keep the thread open and let the madness and consternation and righteousness blossom.
So, I'm assuming all of you who changed the channel and refuse to watch again will be boycotting games this fall right? After all, we have a shit ton of guys who have kids out of wedlock on the team. No sin is greater than the other and all that jazz.
I agree. Nice job Edawgs...some other MSU boards could learn from the way you handled this. PropsQuote:
Originally Posted by drunkernhelldawg
What is the predicted timetable for acceptance of other perversions like beastiality, or maybe pedophilia or ...... seems that we as society may be headed that way.