Is Coach O a realistic candidate?

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Yeah the way they have coached at....do you honestly think bringing two guys with no experience is a good idea in the SEC? Great players. Have no clue if they even want to coach much less are capable. Much bigger chance that they would be inept vs making the defense nasty. Never mind we have some DL personnel defiences for a 3-4 defense that they have played in their entire careers at the NFL.

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Ray Lewis probably makes a lot of money working for ESPN... More than we could pay him. Regardless he isn't coming here

Bill Walsh could have coached out OL and it wouldn't have mattered.

10 sacks against Bama.

I've never even heard of a team giving up that many sacks.

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Originally Posted by cheewgumm

Basically we can't out recruit Ole Miss or Auburn or Bama or LSU or A&M or Arkansas for that matter.And we shouldn't expect to, because we are Miss State.

So we need to hire a defensive genius, because he needs to take 2 and 3 star recruits and beat 5 star players.

So who are the candidates?

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We don't have to outrecruit anybody, but we do have to have a Top 25 quality of class most every year to compete in this league for anything other than making minor bowl games (and if we are satisfied with that fine because its lots better than we have done in the past). I don't think anyone is expecting us to have Top 15 classes routinely or maybe ever but classes outside the Top 25 or at least Top 30 make it extremely difficult to be any kind of real factor in this league. The 2 most talented teams in the league THIS year were AL and OM and we couldn't really stay on the field with either IN Starkville. Everyone else we at least looked like we had a chance to compete with but that was with an advantage at the most important position on the field. We likely we won't have that advantage next year.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Ray Lewis probably makes a lot of money working for ESPN... More than we could pay him. Regardless he isn't coming here

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I'm sure. Neither one is qualified either.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Yeah the way they have coached at....do you honestly think bringing two guys with no experience is a good idea in the SEC? Great players. Have no clue if they even want to coach much less are capable. Much bigger chance that they would be inept vs making the defense nasty. Never mind we have some DL personnel defiences for a 3-4 defense that they have played in their entire careers at the NFL.

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I was only joking.

I heard The Rock was trading in his title belt & oscar nomination to pick up the coaching whistle - he was a good coach in Gridiron Gang, has connections to Florida and Parts Unknown, might need to give him a call.

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Originally Posted by cheewgumm

Bill Walsh could have coached out OL and it wouldn't have mattered.

10 sacks against Bama.

I've never even heard of a team giving up that many sacks.

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I disagree. We looked better with Malone at C and Desper at LG. We probably should have put Clayborn at RG and played Jenkins more. Any time we were forced to shuffle the line it seemed like they played better.

We don't need Bill Walsh- we just need a competent o-line coach.

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Originally Posted by cheewgumm

People feel like we need to recruit better. It's not "moronic" to want better recruiters on our coaching staff. It's perfectly logical.

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Not one person has said otherwise. The moronic part is wanting them to call your defense -- simply because they can recruit -- based on NOTHING but their ability to recruit and their relationship with "big brother."

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We don't think we are sacrificing and X and O genius because we have seen the last 7 hires. What would make us think that if we don't hire a recruiter that we're getting the defensive genius coach?

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We've had 5 good defenses in the last 7 years. Yet you -- and many of our posters apparently -- are not satisfied with that. Or can't even recognize it. But you are convinced we can fall uphill by hiring someone that in 2 decades as a top assistant has never once been tasked with calling a defense? Hell -- let's just hire Tim Brewster and bring him back as defensive coordinator. I literally do not see the difference? He's 22 spots higher in recruiter rankings than Ogre right now. Remind me how many elite guys he landed for us the first time?

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I'm going to continue to hope we hire a great recruiter. I'll take my chances with great players and the chance of a lesser defensive X and O guy.

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I'm not a football genius -- it just appalls me just how risky it is and lazy it is as a "champion" for the DC position simply to spit in the eye of Ole Miss and recruit. It takes barely beyond the average wife-level football watching intelligence to know that the playcaller opposite the head coach has to be something more than a yaw yaw guy that brings in good players. But hell everyone has forgotten last year's Orange Bowl without a competent playcaller -- so I know everyone forgot the 2012 defense -- the one with at least two future pros at every level of the defense that got torched by everyone -- in spite of the recruiter in charge of that defense bringing in the most loaded position group of any single spot in the Mullen era at his own position group.

What was Ogre's best class ranked in his time there, by the way?

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

We don't have to outrecruit anybody, but we do have to have a Top 25 quality of class most every year to compete in this league for anything other than making minor bowl games (and if we are satisfied with that fine because its lots better than we have done in the past). I don't think anyone is expecting us to have Top 15 classes routinely or maybe ever but classes outside the Top 25 or at least Top 30 make it extremely difficult to be any kind of real factor in this league. The 2 most talented teams in the league THIS year were AL and OM and we couldn't really stay on the field with either IN Starkville. Everyone else we at least looked like we had a chance to compete with but that was with an advantage at the most important position on the field. We likely we won't have that advantage next year.

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We got blown up at one position. Wholly separate from the one everyone is knighting as the fix for the problem. How is hiring Ogre going to fix our Offensive Line? Answer -- it isn't.

Top 25 classes is the goal? 4 year mean average we are ranked 23rd by the composite at this very moment. So we are already accomplishing that goal.

We have 4 guys getting drafted off our D this April alone. We had two 2nd round draft picks last year

We seem to recruit OK on D

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Originally Posted by Coach34

We have 4 guys getting drafted off our D this April alone. We had two 2nd round draft picks last year

We seem to recruit OK on D

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The state of MS seems to produce good defensive players every year. Offensive players seem to be less common. We haven't even attempted to recruit a qb from MS since Tyler Russell.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I disagree. We looked better with Malone at C and Desper at LG. We probably should have put Clayborn at RG and played Jenkins more. Any time we were forced to shuffle the line it seemed like they played better.

We don't need Bill Walsh- we just need a competent o-line coach.

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Ok, I stand corrected. I'll chalk up the Bana and Ole Miss 16 sacks as is just being out of position.

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Originally Posted by gravedigger

How about Boston college's dc?

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Great Idea, but he is already at Ohio State. Meyer approached this the right way. He looked at the stats then researched the people and hired the very best available.

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Originally Posted by 1bigdawg

Great Idea, but he is already at Ohio State. Meyer approached this the right way. He looked at the stats then researched the people and hired the very best available.

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He went to Michigan not Ohio State