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As they say Jimmy's & Joe's beats X's & O's
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Originally Posted by
dawgoneyall
As they say Jimmy's & Joe's beats X's & O's
yeah, but Alabama, LSU, Ole Miss etc are ALWAYS gonna have their own Jimmies and Joes. gonna take X's & O's to beat them. i would hope the last few years would have taught our fanbase that, but our fanbase is too interested in making excuses, not analyzing and improving. i guess that means we have the perfect HC for our fanbase.
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You don't beat teams with more talent often and certainly not consistently.
Last edited by dawgoneyall; 01-02-2016 at 10:56 PM.
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Originally Posted by
dawgoneyall
As they say Jimmy's & Joe's beats X's & O's
So your solution is to start out recruiting Alabama and lsu?
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Originally Posted by
NCDawg
I'd rather have O. He knows the area well and would probably do all he could do to beat Ole Miss. His LSU DL looked very good this year imo.
A good DL means you can call a defense. It is known**
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Originally Posted by
NCDawg
I'd rather have O. He knows the area well and would probably do all he could do to beat Ole Miss. His LSU DL looked very good this year imo.
They looked real good against UNM and Bama ? In both games they got trucked, we are already well adept at that aspect regarding Bama and UNM.
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Originally Posted by
CadaverDawg
Ok. Not getting into a classic 9 page "engie wants to argue" thread....so I'll just agree to disagree. O likely wouldn't be as bad or worse than Wilson. I'd rather have Thompson though.
Wilson coached a top 25 defense here people seem to have forgotten. The best scoring D here in what is approaching 20 years. In the end, I agree he wasn't a great DC -- mainly because of the cluster 17 he created in his own position group with the Cherry starting at DT and Eulls at DE insanity. We are still living off his DL talent though. Since it's all about crootin and all...
And no, I wasn't looking to argue. Just that the attempted point about Collins was a really bad one. In reality -- we have fielded 5 good defenses here in 7 years -- and our fans are now singing kumbaya and assuming it's a given when it isn't.
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Originally Posted by
engie
So your solution is to start out recruiting Alabama and lsu?
Of course it is! (lol) But the real solution, would be the answer in HOW we'd out-recruit Bama and LSU.
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Originally Posted by
32 Dive
Of course it is! (lol) But the real solution, would be the answer in HOW we'd out-recruit Bama and LSU.

We won't unless we get Saban or urban Meyer... In other words, we won't
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Basically we can't out recruit Ole Miss or Auburn or Bama or LSU or A&M or Arkansas for that matter.And we shouldn't expect to, because we are Miss State.
So we need to hire a defensive genius, because he needs to take 2 and 3 star recruits and beat 5 star players.
So who are the candidates?
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Nah. Just out recruit MSU.
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Originally Posted by
cheewgumm
Basically we can't out recruit Ole Miss or Auburn or Bama or LSU or A&M or Arkansas for that matter.And we shouldn't expect to, because we are Miss State.
So we need to hire a defensive genius, because he needs to take 2 and 3 star recruits and beat 5 star players.
So who are the candidates?
Exactly. We have people believing this shit.
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Originally Posted by
32 Dive
Of course it is! (lol) But the real solution, would be the answer in HOW we'd out-recruit Bama and LSU.

It's literally not possible. All this OM hoopla -- and they haven't done it either. Nor will they. They haven't out recruited auburn or aTm yet either. Not even once yet.
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Originally Posted by
Jacksondevildog
Exactly. We have people believing this shit.
The funny thing is -- what you believe is dumber.
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Originally Posted by
cheewgumm
Basically we can't out recruit Ole Miss or Auburn or Bama or LSU or A&M or Arkansas for that matter.And we shouldn't expect to, because we are Miss State.
So we need to hire a defensive genius, because he needs to take 2 and 3 star recruits and beat 5 star players.
So who are the candidates?
Since when do we not outrecruit Arkansas?
No one is our recruiting the big 3 in the west. And it's moronic beyond belief that its what people think is our path to future success now. All over a guy that's the 25th best recruiter in the country right now on the #1 recruiting staff. Let's give him not one -- but two -- jobs he's never done -- in the sec west -- because we are jealous of one of his protege's recruiting success at Ole Miss and the only possible solution is to imitate them as closely as possible.
Last edited by engie; 01-02-2016 at 11:31 PM.
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Originally Posted by
engie
It's literally not possible. All this OM hoopla -- and they haven't done it either. Nor will they. They haven't out recruited auburn or aTm yet either. Not even once yet.
One big advantage we have over Ole Miss is we dominate Mississippi in recruiting unless a player is from Oxford. Even then we hold our own in South Panola.
All we really need to do is recruit the o-line better and maybe add in 2-3 elite out of state prospects to that and we will pass Ole Miss easily.
Now Orgeron can do that for us- might have landed Sullivan and Willie Allen for us- and maybe Thompson can as well. I'd like to get both of possible.
Thompson is probably safer of a hire when you are talking about DC and recruiter, but O has a higher upside but more risk.
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Originally Posted by
HoopsDawg
Yep, even a worse case scenario we suck on D for 1 year, but at least Mullen can learn a lot about recruiting. O taught Freeze everything he knows.
Ray Lewis- LBers coach
Ed Reed- Safeties coach
Could you imagine how nasty that D would be. Wouldn't even have to recruit you would have kids waiting in line to sign.
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People feel like we need to recruit better. It's not "moronic" to want better recruiters on our coaching staff. It's perfectly logical.
We don't think we are sacrificing and X and O genius because we have seen the last 7 hires. What would make us think that if we don't hire a recruiter that we're getting the defensive genius coach?
I'm going to continue to hope we hire a great recruiter. I'll take my chances with great players and the chance of a lesser defensive X and O guy.
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Originally Posted by
engie
The funny thing is -- what you believe is dumber.
Damn. I got dealt with.
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Originally Posted by
djaymsu5
Ray Lewis- LBers coach
Ed Reed- Safeties coach
Could you imagine how nasty that D would be. Wouldn't even have to recruit you would have kids waiting in line to sign.
Yeah the way they have coached at....do you honestly think bringing two guys with no experience is a good idea in the SEC? Great players. Have no clue if they even want to coach much less are capable. Much bigger chance that they would be inept vs making the defense nasty. Never mind we have some DL personnel defiences for a 3-4 defense that they have played in their entire careers at the NFL.
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