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Denver was 4-12 the 2 years tebow was there that he didn't start. Tebow was 9-7 with a playoff win. That great Denver defense helped get the Broncos a 1-4 record before tebow took over. That defense got pretty dang good bc tebow helped Denver lead the league in rushing. To say tebow had nothing to do with the transformation is ridiculousQuote:
Originally Posted by BulldogDX55
You don't understand the concept of "sample size" do you? Jeeze...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Damn sure not bothering to look it up but I dont temember him ever playing, much less winning. I find that hard to believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by BulldogDX55
Undefeated going into the national championship game, was bad, was saved by freakish defense that had like more than a dozen first round draft picks? Sorry your football knowledge is that limited.Quote:
Originally Posted by scottycameron
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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Nice. Throw Tebow in with a wifebeater, child abuser, and a queer. Doubt you even realize it, it's become subconscious with you kids.
Go ahead and throw Hernandez in there, maybe he can get off on appeal and get back in the league
Why don't you get the 17 out of here with that shit, dick-hole.Quote:
Originally Posted by scottycameron
Well, unfortunately no polling firm has bothered to ask about Tim Tebow in any other state than Florida, but aside from higher name recognition, I don't see any reason why it would make a difference. Of all of the Americans who have an opinion on Tebow, Florida is going to have a disproportionately large share anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by BiscuitEater
Yes, Florida fans are going to like him regardless of their politics, and Florida State fans are going to hate him regardless of their politics. However, as the poll shows, the two schools are almost even in their fandom (23% like Florida and 22% like Florida State), so that's going to wash out on the net favorability rating.
In fact, the poll shows that Florida State fans are a little bit more likely to have voted for Obama in 2012, so if anything, this poll is understating Tebow's popularity with liberals, because a good chunk of that 19% of Democrats who don't like him are just FSU fans who would hate him if he were Mr. Superliberal.
So the hometown effect of Florida does give him higher name recognition, but there's no reason to believe that the net favorability rating would be any different in any other state.
Actually, we do know the demographics of the voters. It's all there in the link I cited (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/p...e_FL_32615.pdf)Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Public Policy Polling is not just some funzie poll of UF students -- it's a national polling firm that generally asks political/voting questions but also asks about sports/celebrities some too. PPP was the most accurate pollster in the 2012 election (more info here), and missed the mark in 2014. I'm not trying to incite a debate on which polling companies are the most reliable -- PPP is the only one I can find that bothered to ask, and Tebow has enough cushion in his liberal favorability that it doesn't really matter if the poll is a few points off. I'd certainly be interested in Gallup or another firm had asked this question before.
Again, why would liberals in Mississippi or New York or Oregon have different opinions on Tim Tebow than Floridian liberals who don't care about college football? (Even if both Florida and Florida State have 1,000,000 rabid superfans each, which is likely an overestimate, that's 90% of the state who aren't rabid superfans who would base their opinion of a guy on what football team he played for 6 years ago.) Like I said, any fanbase-related skewing should cancel out or even slightly skew liberals against Tebow. Remember, it's not like Tebow is just barely a net positive with liberals -- it's overwhelming.Quote:
Originally Posted by BiscuitEater
As far as the "1000 random Florida residents" go, 1000 is way more than enough of a sample if it's truly random. Because it's done by a repudiable national poster, I feel confident in saying it's sufficiently random, and it's not like Tebow's favorability among anyone is close to the margin of error.
I'll say this -- I realize this one poll isn't rocksolid proof that most liberals love Tebow or anything, but it is solid evidence to suggest that the "persecuted right-wing Christian" hypothesis that Tebow is hated by liberals is likely not correct. It's a whole lot more evidence to Tebow's popularity among liberals than they've ever provided, or ever will provide, of Tebow's supposed unpopularity among liberals...
Good lord I was being factious about the polling Florida student only comment. How was that not understood? And the demographics linked are fine except it is still a very skewed sample vs the rest of the country and all the questions were geared toward Florida issues. The rest of the countries opinion will be very different. No matter how you spin it, of all states that is the one state that you have to question and look at a much more complex sample, dig deeper to have a better understanding of the people polled for that state.
That being said they are very reputable, I don't dispute that. I just disagree completely that a national survey will be the same as a Florida only.
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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
I have worked with them before. Give them a call .. they are nice folks. ASK them what they think about response bias, coverage bias and translation error WRT to 'showing that Florida's attitude toward Tim Tebow translates across the country.' 'Yea .. Proves .. If they like him in Florida .. they got to like him in California.'
Don't be embarrassed when they actually laugh in your face. Tell them .. for the upcoming 2016 election .. forget about the REST OF THE COUNTRY .. just sample 928 registered Florida voters. Report back.
It is worth noting that the wife beater and child abuser can actually earn their checks.Quote:
Originally Posted by scottycameron
<sigh> Show me a shred of evidence that Tebow has negative net approval among American liberals as a whole and I'll reconsider my position.Quote:
Originally Posted by BiscuitEater
No one is arguing that Tebow has +21 approval among liberals across all of America. (I suspect he probably has close to that, but I'm not going to assert something I have no evidence for.) But Florida's liberals aren't so dissimilar to liberals in other states that they have dramatically different opinions than liberals in other states, especially on completely apolitical issues like the opinion of a football player who hasn't played since 2012 and has never publicly discussed his political beliefs.
For Tebow to have net negative approval among Americans a whole, Floridian liberals would have to be a huge aberration. That's just not going to be the case. Not only does Florida State have a similarly-sized rabid fanbase to cancel out the rabid Florida fans, it's just not that many people who are rabid enough football fans to base their opinions of a guy on where he played college football 6 years ago -- even if both fanbases have 1,000,000 diehard fans (which is too high), 90% of Floridians aren't rabid fans of either team and are unlikely to let Tebow's college team dictate whether they like him or not.
Again, he doesn't have to have +21 among liberals nationally for me to be right. I'm right if he's +1 nationally. The fact that he's +21 in the state that he by far has the highest name recognition is very strong evidence that I'm right. But by all means, if you can find evidence otherwise, please show me.
LSU had mutiny happen right before the game. They had some linemen confront Miles and tell him they didn't want Jefferson starting because he'd been out getting drunk the night before. They threw the game because Miles started him anyways. That's the story I heard. Jordan Jefferson doesn't apply here though. Hell I can't think of a single player EVER, besides Tebow, in the history of football to go 8-5, win a playoff game and subsequently get blackballed from the league. For doing nothing wrong. 8-5 is 8-5 is 8-5 is 8-5. Eight wins. Five losses. That isn't supposed to get you the death penalty. Just for a second imagine what happens if Dickface John Elway doesn't sign Peyton Manning. Thought about it long enough? I fully believe that Tim Tebow would STILL be the starting QB because they would of kept winning. Tebow has some revenge to dish out and some kind of extreme motivation to make it back to being a starting QB. You really going to doubt this man can't do it? Please. Some of y'all need to do some more homework on the man.Quote:
Originally Posted by BulldogDX55
No he wouldn't be because he is a bad NFL quarterback.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
I don't know and don't care what his ratings are. My point is a poll of only Florida residents taints the numbers. Even if the rest of the country lines up identically with this poll (I highly doubt it and suspect his approvals would be lower in a similar national demographic) I would still consider this an outlier vs the rest of the country. Simply because you dealing with a census who have the greatest potential for being biased over any other part of the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
If the numbers were completely opposite I would feel the same way. It is not about discrediting what you are trying to say about liberals giving him a good approval rating. It's the skewed sample of the people polled. It would not matter what the results of this poll were, all it says is what I would have thought any way. Floridians liked him, even liberal ones. I could have guessed that. I know a ton of NON die hard State fans who do not keep up with sports near like we do and they like Eli and Payton. I know some that hated Eli while at UM and like him now once he was away from that school. How many here actually like Patrick Willis now he been gone a while? How about Duece McAllister? I know he was very poplar state wide even with State fans. I am sure a vast majority of those polled are the same and will feel a sense of pride for a player from their state doing so well in college. Even if he played for a team that was not their favorite. Not to mention that with so many having no opinion on the head coaching job at each school, you probably have a lot of name recognition bias as well. They approve of him because they just know the name and he did really well at Florida, IMO. Regardless, it is a skewed selection and does not speak for the rest of the country because of all samples in the nation you could have took, that has the highest potential of giving you incredibly skewed results.