100%. They have been bought in with Lane since day 1. NIL also does not bother them because they were open about paying players for all those decades. We had people who tried to act like we were better than that, even though we were doing the same damn thing. Especially during Jackie and Mullen. Unfortunately I do not know a way to change it other than Selmon just straight up diverting the baseball only money to where it needs to be going, football.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
The other way you could look at it is we are outmanned and went toe to toe with those teams and had a good chance to win. Which means we're doing something right. We weren't in very many games last year at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
It also means that if we continue to add depth we will beat them.
This is a classic post where we have fans that overvalue coaching and don't value player talent enough. The problem is always the coach. Never the players. The truth is when you fire the coach it makes it harder to add talent because in this era you're not only firing a coach- you're pretty much pulling the trigger on a complete roster reset.
Like I said earlier in this thread or at least today- we need to do what baseball did. Get former MSU football players more involved in the program and pair them with people like Adkerson and etc. and get with Selmon. Lay out a vision for football and then do whatever it takes to make it happen. I'm 100% sure we have more former football players than baseball players.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Cry me a river.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
I like the line of thinking, that said, we have many players and others that were part of the program have been very successful outside of baseball. These guys are the backbone of the group funding the program. One of them pretty much bought out the old staff. Also the sheer amount of money required for football really calls for an all hands on deck approach for us. Don?t you think?Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Ole Miss buying in and giving full support to Lane Kiffin, the current most sought after head football coach in college, and State buying in a giving full support to Jeff Lebby, in his second year as a head football coach, currently with a record of 7-16(1-15 SEC) are not remotely close to the same thing! Maybe if State had hired Drinkwitz or Sarkisian or Jon Sumrall or a number of other guys with similar credentials, thst would be a fair comparison. Lebby was a slightly better hire than Arnett and he sometimes proves with questionable decision making thst he may in fact NOT be a better hire than Arnett. He certainly isn't a better hire for State than Moorhead or Leach were!
He may be fired before that if he's losing to first year coaches.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I agree 100%. And football is a lot more daunting than baseball in terms of funds needed. And we don't have as many Bo McKinnis types from our football alumni group but there are some like Dr. Sills.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
Drinkwitz was 5-5, 6-7, and 6-7 his first three seasons at Mizzou. And that was after he took over for Barry Odom who was 6-6 before Drinkwitz took over. The way our fans are acting they would have wanted him fired.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
That one statement tells me all I will ever need to know about you. Total class.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Bo is great and has done very well but there are more. I don?t know about how involved Al is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
No, if Lebby was going .500, his seat wouldn't be warm at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
At least I can both dish it out and take it in stride when it comes back to me. ‾\_(ツ)_/‾Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
You are the living embodiment of American exceptionalism aren?t you. You have no idea what you said do you? Or how offensive that is. Way past message board BS. But, just seeing how you think it?s easy to know how your opinions are formed. You aren?t worthy to tread the same ground the many of my brothers did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
From here out don?t enter act with me and I?ll act like you don?t exist, because that is how I see you.
The schedule next season is a huge problem for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
This. Exactly. It?s over. They have completely surpassed us in football and it will not be close again for years (maybe decades). Our fans can try to hang their hats on the MSU baseball program but they are in for a rude awakening. As the gap widens between the football programs you will see more funds, interest, and marketing move to Ole Miss?s other sports and it won?t be long until they are outspending us in those as well. Football feeds all and it creates so much value in an athletic program that to not make it the priority is supremely dumb.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
I don?t think it is an either or. I don?t think anyone thinks we should support baseball and not football. We would be fools not to capitalize on baseball, I mean we do have pedigree there. That doesn?t mean we won?t support football as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
If I?m sitting here as a primary booster for football, I need to hear something from Lebby. I need to hear it from Lebby?s mouth, in person, not through an intermediary. And I know we don?t like booster meddling but that is a naive thought for MSU. He hasn?t earned the ability to tell boosters to stay out of it, like a Saban, Meyer or even Kiffin.
He's a terrible in game coach and that needs to be addressed immediately. If I?m one at that booster level I want to hear it, and know what he plans to do about it before I commit substantial funds.
He will be. If not, it's all on our money issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
We want to be that team without paying for that team.
We paid for a team that was good enough to have 7 or 8 wins, but Lebby gave us 5.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
Okay at least youre self admitting to not knowing ball and just arguing to argue. We did not pay enough for 8 wins and we had a chance to. I get the high expectations and I am with you there but to actually achieve them takes planning and reality which you lack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Everyone pony up what you can for next year and then the firing conversation has merit but we need $2.5M more to improve the line and retain our skill positions and pray the NCAA grants a 5th year for BT0