Does anyone really think Lebby will still be our coach in 2027?

[Quaoarsking]

$$$ make the right guy a much easier target. $$$ make talent acquisition much easier. You are right it takes the right guy. But our situation is not theirs. Neither is the confederates. But they were proactive when they hired Kiffin and have not hesitated to give him and the program everything needed for success. We on the other hand are reactionary. We could have the perfect guy and our lack of support puts them in a lose, lose situation. Until we figure this out our football situation will continue to be as is.

Our NIL funders gave Lebby a roster than could have 7, 8, or maybe even 9 wins right now, and he only won 5 thanks to his questionable in-game coaching decisions. They supported him just fine.

[DawgFromOxford]

$$$ make the right guy a much easier target. $$$ make talent acquisition much easier. You are right it takes the right guy. But our situation is not theirs. Neither is the confederates. But they were proactive when they hired Kiffin and have not hesitated to give him and the program everything needed for success. We on the other hand are reactionary. We could have the perfect guy and our lack of support puts them in a lose, lose situation. Until we figure this out our football situation will continue to be as is.

Blame our admin then for not casting a winning vision and successful path forward. If fans are withholding checks then it?s because the value of what they?re giving money to isn?t worth it

[msstate7]

Blame our admin then for not casting a winning vision and successful path forward. If fans are withholding checks then it?s because the value of what they?re giving money to isn?t worth it

It's our fault, not Lebby's. Lebby certainly won't take any blame, and guys like course blame everyone but him too

[Quaoarsking]

Blame our admin then for not casting a winning vision and successful path forward. If fans are withholding checks then it?s because the value of what they?re giving money to isn?t worth it

I wouldn't blame a fan if they withhold a check from Lebby in 2026, since he wasted and squandered the money our big boosters gave him in 2025.

Selfishly, I want them to keep giving money anyway for my own delusional dreams of personal entertainment on Fall Saturdays, but objectively I can understand why they wouldn't.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I wouldn't blame a fan if they withhold a check from Lebby in 2026, since he wasted and squandered the money our big boosters gave him in 2025.

Selfishly, I want them to keep giving money anyway for my own delusional dreams of personal entertainment on Fall Saturdays, but objectively I can understand why they wouldn't.

And the cycle will continue. They will not give money for 2026, give money for 2027, stop because the coach did not do exactly what they want, not give in 2028, give again in 29, and on and on it goes.

At a certain point our fans have to decide that they are all in and are going to continue to give. You have to trust the AD to make the tough decisions when those times come. Because if we continue to give, and it does not work out, then that is something they can sell to a potential coaching candidate. No coach is going to come here when the pitch is, “Well they will support you as long as you do exactly what they tell you and even then they will not support you if it does not go the way they want it to go”

[Coursesuper]

Our NIL funders gave Lebby a roster than could have 7, 8, or maybe even 9 wins right now, and he only won 5 thanks to his questionable in-game coaching decisions. They supported him just fine.

You are so convinced that you have it pegged. Have you been to a game this year? If you did, did you happen to notice the complete line changes and front 7 changes being made by UT, TX and UGA? When someone went down there was no drop off in performance elsewhere. Do you know what that is? Its depth, we dont have it, so spare me the we have all the players we need to win 8 or 9 in the SEC. We could be more competitive in the big 12, but not in the SEC. Why we?re at it other than QB tell me one position on the field where we were better than Miz?

[Quaoarsking]

You are so convinced that you have it pegged. Have you been to a game this year? If you did, did you happen to notice the complete line changes and front 7 changes being made by UT, TX and UGA? When someone went down there was no drop off in performance elsewhere. Do you know what that is? Its depth, we dont have it, so spare me the we have all the players we need to win 8 or 9 in the SEC. We could be more competitive in the big 12, but not in the SEC. Why we?re at it other than QB tell me one position on the field where we were better than Miz?

1. I haven't missed a home game (other than 2020) in over 20 years. (Also, I think it would be easier to notice those things you mentioned while watching on TV anyway, so what a weird fail of a flex...)

2. Regardless of our lack of depth, we can directly point to bad decisions by Lebby that cost us the Florida and Texas games, so that's how you get to 7.

[Coursesuper]

Blame our admin then for not casting a winning vision and successful path forward. If fans are withholding checks then it?s because the value of what they?re giving money to isn?t worth it

One of these days you guys are gonna have to figure out that we, us, are MSU. Not the admin, not anyone else just us. It?s up to us the alumni to make it happen. Take the initiative to just do it, or just keep on waiting and watching for what you want to see and someone to lead you, this seems to be the Missippy Tate way and it has worked out so well for us so far.

[Quaoarsking]

One of these days you guys are gonna have to figure out that we, us, are MSU. Not the admin, not anyone else just us. It?s up to us the alumni to make it happen. Take the initiative to just do it, or just keep on waiting and watching for what you want to see and someone to lead you, this seems to be the Missippy Tate way and it has worked out so well for us so far.

The "Missippy Tate way" is to say that 5-7 is OK because we're just to poor to expect any better than that.

[SPMT]

No idea, but this program is nuclear toxic. As is this alumni and fan base. No coach worth a 17 will touch it. We are a dead end, a place where coaches go to have their careers die. And if this trajectory continues MSU will get shuffled out during the next realignment. There will be no SEC or Big 10, it will be one big conference and our poor ass wont have a seat at the table.

Nonsense. Jackie retired from here, Mullen got a better job because he was here, Leach would?ve retired from here.

Lebby isn?t capable of calling plays and being the head coach. He won?t make it after next year unless he significantly improves his in game head coaching.

He appears to be caught off guard and making off the cuff/spur of the moment decisions during the game. It happens every game.

I would hope he would have noted key routine decisions where he?s already made the decision pregame while not being under duress. Hopefully he has that on his Waffle House menu and maybe he?s just not using it.

[Coursesuper]

1. I haven't missed a home game (other than 2020) in over 20 years. (Also, I think it would be easier to notice those things you mentioned while watching on TV anyway, so what a weird fail of a flex...)

2. Regardless of our lack of depth, we can directly point to bad decisions by Lebby that cost us the Florida and Texas games, so that's how you get to 7.

You want this staff fired, fine pony and pay for it. Nothing between you and them but a phone call and you fronting all the cash for this staff and the next as well as the millions spent to narrow down and acquire said staff. Go for it big guy.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Nonsense. Jackie retired from here, Mullen got a better job because he was here, Leach would?ve retired from here.

Lebby isn?t capable of calling plays and being the head coach. He won?t make it after next year unless he significantly improves his in game head coaching.

He appears to be caught off guard and making off the cuff/spur of the moment decisions during the game. It happens every game.

I would hope he would have noted key routine decisions where he?s already made the decision pregame while not being under duress. Hopefully he has that on his Waffle House menu and maybe he?s just not using it.

I think his point was that right now this job is toxic. And he is right about that. It is. Has been since 2020.

You are right about one thing though, he needs to give up play calling duties. He can have a heavy hand in game planning and obviously can overrule but he needs someone in the booth calling the game.

[Quaoarsking]

You want this staff fired, fine pony and pay for it. Nothing between you and them but a phone call and you fronting all the cash for this staff and the next as well as the millions spent to narrow down and acquire said staff. Go for it big guy.

I literally just posted: "You can't have an opinion unless you are rich enough to personally afford to change things yourself" is a bullѕhit and un-American attitude.

However, if there is an official "Fire Lebby" fund out there, I would gladly donate to it.

[msstate7]

You want this staff fired, fine pony and pay for it. Nothing between you and them but a phone call and you fronting all the cash for this staff and the next as well as the millions spent to narrow down and acquire said staff. Go for it big guy.

This is all you, C34, and SVS have as a defense of keeping Lebby now. Not he's good or worth keeping... just write a big check. Sad

[StarkVegasSteve]

This is all you, C34, and SVS have as a defense of keeping Lebby now. Not he's good or worth keeping... just write a big check. Sad

I think he is worth keeping. I have actually said that on multiple occasions. We sucked tonight, no way around it, but I can see the improvement from last year and I believe next year will be even more improvement. 2027 needs to be the breakthrough year. It will not be if we fire Lebby next year. We need him to work. Plain and Simple.

I also think he needs to go out and spend 1.5-2 million and hire an elite OC and cede play calling duties.

[Bothrops]

We just need to make a push to shift our fanbase into opening their wallet. TSUN made a push and it?s apart of that fanbases culture and look where they are. It?s not impossible to compete here but we are so boo hoo about everything. State fans are States worst enemy.

Ole Miss has way more support than we do for football. We aren't in the same league anymore in that regard. They've moved on by us since Leach died. We're still trying to swallow the idea that you have to pay millions to load your roster every year, and it increases by season. I dont have an answer to this problem. I dont see us spending Ole Miss or Mizzou money on a roster, regardless of coach.

[Quaoarsking]

Ole Miss has way more support than we do for football. We aren't in the same league anymore in that regard. They've moved on by us since our Leach died. We're still trying to swallow the idea that you have to pay millions to load your roster every year, and it increases by season. I dont have an answer to this problem. I dont see us spending Ole Miss or Mizzou money on a roster, regardless of coach.

The frustrating thing is that at least for 2025, we didn't need to. We had a roster than should have beaten Florida and Texas, and potentially Tennessee or Missouri, and Lebby pissed it all away. At least he got Arkansas by 3 though.

Our #1 priority in selecting a coach needs to be in-game coaching. We need a guy who can seize the win when we have a chance.

[Coursesuper]

I literally just posted: "You can't have an opinion unless you are rich enough to personally afford to change things yourself" is a bullѕhit and un-American attitude.

However, if there is an official "Fire Lebby" fund out there, I would gladly donate to it.

Un-American. Well now, that one fits your little world perfectly doesn?t it. Welcome to the real world, it ain?t nice. And without knowing my story or some others here, where we have been and what we have done for America, that inadvertently means you, you might want to be more selective with that un American bullshat.

[Todd4State]

No wonder Lenny takes no blame in his pressers... why should he? We don't hold him responsible for anything... it's all out fault

Boosters and alumni have more power and more say in football programs than ever before in college football. Support matters a lot.

If Lebby is as bad as you think he is and we give him the money and support that he needs to succeed he is going to fail anyway. But at least we will be in position to hire someone good that would improve the program. And if we give Lebby support and he proves you wrong then MSU still wins.

[Coursesuper]

Boosters and alumni have more power and more say in football programs than ever before in college football. Support matters a lot.

If Lebby is as bad as you think he is and we give him the money and support that he needs to succeed he is going to fail anyway. But at least we will be in position to hire someone good that would improve the program. And if we give Lebby support and he proves you wrong then MSU still wins.

Exactly