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12-12-2022, 10:53 PM
Catfish

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Kiff Kingsbury may be on the market.

You are dead on. I'm watching the game and thought the same thing.
12-12-2022, 10:54 PM
Medic601

At this point, it is time to talk to Arnett after the bowl game. If he fits the bill, roll with him... If not, SWING FOR THE FENCES. We cant keep pulling his G5 guys and "hoping" something works out. Enough is enough - the SEC is set to leave us behind if we dont hire the right guy and these risk takers will get us left behind as we try to rebuild around them again. I think if we dont go with Arnett, we have to hit a home run with a big splash hire that can bring recruits here.
12-12-2022, 10:56 PM
CoachT14

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Originally Posted by Medic601

At this point, it is time to talk to Arnett after the bowl game. If he fits the bill, roll with him... If not, SWING FOR THE FENCES. We cant keep pulling his G5 guys and "hoping" something works out. Enough is enough - the SEC is set to leave us behind if we dont hire the right guy and these risk takers will get us left behind as we try to rebuild around them again. I think if we dont go with Arnett, we have to hit a home run with a big splash hire that can bring recruits here.

When?s the last time we hired G5 guys?
12-12-2022, 10:56 PM
bulldawg28

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Originally Posted by Catfish

You are dead on. I'm watching the game and thought the same thing.

Call him tonight and tell him we've got a ready made team. He's from the Leach tree and we would improve instantly.
12-12-2022, 11:00 PM
PikeDawg15

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Originally Posted by smootness

LOL no he would not.

Colorado is a better job than any sec school not named vandy ?
12-12-2022, 11:02 PM
PikeDawg15

Arnette had the Syracuse job for 1 week then he got the call and came here.

We are a much better opportunity than Colorado or Syracuse

Leach thought we were better than Washington state.
12-12-2022, 11:04 PM
CoachT14

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Call him tonight and tell him we've got a ready made team. He's from the Leach tree and we would improve instantly.

Meh. He was never as good as Leach at Tech and failed upward to Arizona. He wouldn’t move the needle and would arguably set us back. He has been pretty mediocre at Zona too outside of 1 year.
12-12-2022, 11:13 PM
Medic601

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

When?s the last time we hired G5 guys?

Im just saying all these names people keep throwing out are "what ifs". Will Hall? The guy is 9-15 at USM... Why do we want to take a chance on something like that? I know a lot of people on here pride themselves in being able to pick out a diamond in the rough but why not go after a splash/headline hire like everyone else in the SEC seems to be doing rather than always going down to a lower tier coach and introduce him to "big football"... why dont we go big and go for a name like Sonny Dykes or someone? I guess I just dont get why people are always suggesting we always go to a lower tier coach and allow them to use us as a stepping stone...
12-12-2022, 11:17 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by msstate7

The offense was struggling this year with one of the best air raid coaches. If we go air raid coaches, we most likely downgrade

All we needed were some better receivers. That's it. We averaged 30 PPG with Leach this past year.

If we do something like say Dave Clawson offense we're going to need TE's and H-Backs. We have NONE on the roster except for that one walk-on guy who is coming in from Hinds next year who will be converted to a WR. It would be a major shift- not unlike going from Dan to Joe and Joe to Leach. That's what leads to downgrades because the players aren't there to run whatever completely opposite system.

Our guys know the Air Raid. A new coach coming in that is an Air Raid guy is going to have a lot less to teach and make over than someone who runs a different system.
12-12-2022, 11:20 PM
PikeDawg15

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

All we needed were some better receivers. That's it. We averaged 30 PPG with Leach this past year.

If we do something like say Dave Clawson offense we're going to need TE's and H-Backs. We have NONE on the roster except for that one walk-on guy who is coming in from Hinds next year who will be converted to a WR. It would be a major shift- not unlike going from Dan to Joe and Joe to Leach. That's what leads to downgrades because the players aren't there to run whatever completely opposite system.

Our guys know the Air Raid. A new coach coming in that is an Air Raid guy is going to have a lot less to teach and make over than someone who runs a different system.

This whole situation just sucks.

I wonder if spurrier jr is interested in being OC.
12-12-2022, 11:20 PM
CoachT14

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Originally Posted by Medic601

Im just saying all these names people keep throwing out are "what ifs". Will Hall? The guy is 9-15 at USM... Why do we want to take a chance on something like that? I know a lot of people on here pride themselves in being able to pick out a diamond in the rough but why not go after a splash/headline hire like everyone else in the SEC seems to be doing rather than always going down to a lower tier coach and introduce him to "big football"... why dont we go big and go for a name like Sonny Dykes or someone? I guess I just dont get why people are always suggesting we always go to a lower tier coach and allow them to use us as a stepping stone...

I’d love to have Dykes. I’d pay him 10 million. But I doubt he comes. The names I mentioned are realistic and guys who might would come and be successful.
12-12-2022, 11:20 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by viverlibre

1) It wouldn't take much for Gus, Dan or any other competent spread option coach to get their system up and running, just get a couple of QBs and RBs from the Portal and you're set. Although the OL has primarily pass blocked for the last few years, they can be trained to run block, most of them likely went through HS in a spread option offense.

2) Deon is absolutely not doing to leave Colorado after just taking the job and putting his players through the portal to sign with Col.

Gus Mahlzahn would be a MAJOR shift. It's not just QB. Again, we would need TE/H-Backs. We would have to bring in more backs and our o-line would have to change physically. Let me put it this way- Gus's QB at UCF is John Rhys Plumlee. No thanks.
12-12-2022, 11:22 PM
Medic601

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

I’d love to have Dykes. I’d pay him 10 million. But I doubt he comes. The names I mentioned are realistic and guys who might would come and be successful.

I am by no means a football expert that knows all the ins and outs of a coaching hire but I guess im just saying I wish we would swing for some big name hires rather than dipping down into a lower tier and hoping we pick a good one. Id like to see someone with a proven track record in "big" football rather than someone that has an ok to losing track record at a lower tier... but I see where you are coming from.
12-12-2022, 11:23 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by PikeDawg15

This whole situation just sucks.

I wonder if spurrier jr is interested in being OC.

The real question is does he want to be the HC?

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

I’d love to have Dykes. I’d pay him 10 million. But I doubt he comes. The names I mentioned are realistic and guys who might would come and be successful.

We can kick the tires. Even if he doesn't I think there is a chance we could get his OC Garrett Riley.
12-12-2022, 11:24 PM
bulldawg28

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

Meh. He was never as good as Leach at Tech and failed upward to Arizona. He wouldn’t move the needle and would arguably set us back. He has been pretty mediocre at Zona too outside of 1 year.

He would have better talent here than Tech.
12-12-2022, 11:28 PM
bulldawg28

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

I’d love to have Dykes. I’d pay him 10 million. But I doubt he comes. The names I mentioned are realistic and guys who might would come and be successful.

Dykes is realistic. The only challenge is the playoff expansion. He'll have a shoe in yearly in that conference.
12-12-2022, 11:28 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Medic601

I am by no means a football expert that knows all the ins and outs of a coaching hire but I guess im just saying I wish we would swing for some big name hires rather than dipping down into a lower tier and hoping we pick a good one. Id like to see someone with a proven track record in "big" football rather than someone that has an ok to losing track record at a lower tier... but I see where you are coming from.

We're in a similar situation as we were when Dan left.

Veteran team coming back and potentially on the cusp of a special season.

Short term- it makes sense for us to keep as much in place as possible. But is that the best long term for MSU?

On one hand I don't want to mess up another potentially special season for all of us- so I don't want a Joe Moorhead. But MSU also doesn't need a Bill Stewart situation either where we have one good season- say 9-3- only to be followed up by 2-3 poor seasons and then a rebuild.

Honestly, we need a retread who will keep everyone in place and stay out of the way.
12-12-2022, 11:31 PM
bulldawg28

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

We're in a similar situation as we were when Dan left.

Veteran team coming back and potentially on the cusp of a special season.

Short term- it makes sense for us to keep as much in place as possible. But is that the best long term for MSU?

On one hand I don't want to mess up another potentially special season for all of us- so I don't want a Joe Moorhead. But MSU also doesn't need a Bill Stewart situation either where we have one good season- say 9-3- only to be followed up by 2-3 poor seasons and then a rebuild.

Honestly, we need a retread who will keep everyone in place and stay out of the way.

We've got a tough schedule next year. We'll need to tweak some things or get a few bounces for any semblance of this years success.
12-12-2022, 11:55 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

We've got a tough schedule next year. We'll need to tweak some things or get a few bounces for any semblance of this years success.

Never easy in the SEC. Dropping Georgia off the schedule helps. Having the Egg Bowl at home is easier. We have one more home game than this year. We have Kentucky at home. LSU and Alabama struggled on the road this year- we have both in Starkville so that may give us a better chance.
12-13-2022, 12:19 AM
bulldawg28

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Never easy in the SEC. Dropping Georgia off the schedule helps. Having the Egg Bowl at home is easier. We have one more home game than this year. We have Kentucky at home. LSU and Alabama struggled on the road this year- we have both in Starkville so that may give us a better chance.

Agreed
12-13-2022, 12:53 AM
TheLostDawg

What kind of offense does Chris Klieman run?
12-13-2022, 01:16 AM
Cowbell

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Dan with Arnette would be deadly.

Especially when Dan throws Zach under the bus the first time...
12-13-2022, 01:17 AM
Cowbell

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Lol, that's what Dan needs. Then he could reach his potential.

You may be on to something here... beat the Scientology out of him
12-13-2022, 01:19 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by TheLostDawg

What kind of offense does Chris Klieman run?

Run first balanced I think. Haven't really watched him much since he went to Kansas State.
12-13-2022, 01:20 AM
Cowbell

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Call him tonight and tell him we've got a ready made team. He's from the Leach tree and we would improve instantly.

You boys need to go watch his Tech teams. They were trash at the end.
12-13-2022, 02:52 AM
Reunion Dog

🔩 that clown show.
12-13-2022, 06:55 AM
bulldawg28

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

You boys need to go watch his Tech teams. They were trash at the end.

I'm speaking to keeping it in the air raid philosophy.
12-13-2022, 07:44 AM
mo7888

I think keeping Arnett is priority #1a and keeping tbe air raid is priority #1b. If that's with Arnett as the HC and using an air raid OC or an air raid HC and keeping Arnett as DC we should be fine. I wouldn't transition away from the air raid with what this team is going through emotionally or with what we are bringing back for next season. I'd hope the new OC would continue with the direction Leach was going bringing in QB's that can run a few times per game though.
12-13-2022, 07:54 AM
bulldawg28

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Originally Posted by mo7888

I think keeping Arnett is priority #1a and keeping tbe air raid is priority #1b. If that's with Arnett as the HC and using an air raid OC or an air raid HC and keeping Arnett as DC we should be fine. I wouldn't transition away from the air raid with what this team is going through emotionally or with what we are bringing back for next season. I'd hope the new OC would continue with the direction Leach was going bringing in QB's that can run a few times per game though.

It's possible to run into a situation that we also need a DC. The time to be both the DC and HC would be taxing. Saban tried for awhile but eventually gave it up somewhat.
12-13-2022, 08:03 AM
RiverCityDawg

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

It's possible to run into a situation that we also need a DC. The time to be both the DC and HC would be taxing. Saban tried for awhile but eventually gave it up somewhat.

Agree, it would be a lot to ask a first time HC to also be the DC. I assume Hughes could just take all the safeties (which I'm not a fan of), but even then it's a lot on Arnett's plate being HC/DC.

But if we make Arnett HC and add a DC, we'll have to promote within for OC or drop a current offensive coach to make room for a OC. I don't see anyone on staff currently that I would be thrilled about becoming the OC in addition to what they're already doing. Spurrier Jr is a no for me.
12-13-2022, 08:07 AM
mo7888

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

It's possible to run into a situation that we also need a DC. The time to be both the DC and HC would be taxing. Saban tried for awhile but eventually gave it up somewhat.

If Arnett doesn't feel like he can do both then we need to do whatever it takes to keep him as just the DC. That's where the majority of his value is. There's no way I'd promote him away from what he's great at.
12-13-2022, 08:21 AM
bulldawg28

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Originally Posted by RiverCityDawg

Agree, it would be a lot to ask a first time HC to also be the DC. I assume Hughes could just take all the safeties (which I'm not a fan of), but even then it's a lot on Arnett's plate being HC/DC.

But if we make Arnett HC and add a DC, we'll have to promote within for OC or drop a current offensive coach to make room for a OC. I don't see anyone on staff currently that I would be thrilled about becoming the OC in addition to what they're already doing. Spurrier Jr is a no for me.

Agreed, making Arnette a HC could potentially start a new philosophy on the offensive side of the ball.
12-13-2022, 08:22 AM
bulldawg28

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Originally Posted by mo7888

If Arnett doesn't feel like he can do both then we need to do whatever it takes to keep him as just the DC. That's where the majority of his value is. There's no way I'd promote him away from what he's great at.

Makes sense.
12-13-2022, 08:43 AM
ScrotieMcBoogerBalls

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Dan with Arnette would be deadly.

Except Dan would more than likely run Arnette off. How many DC's did he have that stayed more than 1 year consecutively? Grantham? He's a dick.
12-13-2022, 08:53 AM
CoachT14

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Originally Posted by TheLostDawg

What kind of offense does Chris Klieman run?

They've spread out a little more since hiring Colin Klein as OC. Problem is, Klein is probably the guy at Kansas State if you hire Klieman away. So question becomes does Klieman go back to the more pro style offense he usually has used or does he mold a little bit.

I do have no doubt that he would do well as Head coach anywhere he goes. I don't know that we could pull him either, much like the Dykes situation. I know I listed Garrett Riley as my number 1 early. But it's actually Dykes. I just don't how we could pull him with the extended playoff and TCU's chances of dominating the Big 12 now.

In saying that, if I'm AD, Dykes is my first call and I keep trying. He's the best and most likely efficient transition. I'd give him 10 million a year and not blink an eye.

I also think with Dykes or Riley you have a good chance of keeping Arnett. I imagine they all have some sort of relationship because of the Leach Tree.
12-13-2022, 09:11 AM
bulldawg28

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Originally Posted by ScrotieMcBoogerBalls

Except Dan would more than likely run Arnette off. How many DC's did he have that stayed more than 1 year consecutively? Grantham? He's a dick.

True
12-13-2022, 09:30 AM
TNDawg35

We are literally built for a GusBus team. We have Tulu, the bruiser back in Marks, (maybe he could bring back DJ) lots of recievers, the portal can get us TE/HB. Let Will be servicable until he isn’t then move on. Hell bring in a transfer that Gus likes. It can be blown up and rebuilt very quickly with the portal.

Keep Arnette and the D is set, just plug a few…

I think Gus is a good coach. He got in a bad spot in Auburn with boosters, but looks to be doing well at UCF…
12-13-2022, 09:36 AM
Johnson85

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I'd be down with Kane Wommack. He did an outstanding job at South Alabama. He's a defensive/special teams guy. So I think he would be OK with an Air Raid OC. Of course, the question is can he be a CEO guy and let Arnett do his thing?

No to Will Hall. He called out USM fans earlier in the season like Moorhead did- and that's something our fans don't tolerate very well. Personally, I think he's a bit overrated anyway.

If we hire a Defensive guy, I think that is telling Arnett goodbye. Just don't think you can expect Arnett to stick around if he doesn't get autonomy on his side of the ball and don't think you can hihre a defensive head coach and tell him to keep his hands off the defense.
12-13-2022, 09:45 AM
Johnson85

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I don't know what we way we go, but I hope we don't eliminate guys bc they aren't air raid.

We can't take a bad candidate because we can't find a good one that is air raid, but damn it'd be painful for us to switch right now. I think Arnette is a good enough candidate that we'd be better off with him as HC and an air raid OC than trying to transition right now. If that doesn't work out, we'll be in a better position to transition if we've spent three years building a roster to run a more modern air raid that runs more and utilizes a mobile qb. If it doesn't work out, you probably are only having one more bad season than you'd have if you brought in a coach to transition, as even with the portal, it'd probably take a couple of years to flip the roster to something that fits, and that's probably optimistic considering our NIL position.
12-13-2022, 10:19 AM
BrunswickDawg

I Arnett says he just wants to stay DC, then I'd elevate Spurrier, bring SS SR. in as an offensive/recruiting advisor, and hire an a Leach tree OC. Jr. has been around the SEC a long time in addition to having worked for two of the greatest offensive minds in CFB history. I think with the right structure and an intact staff he could handle it.

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