agreed!Quote:
Originally Posted by thf24
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Originally Posted by thf24
Mac Jones also was taken in the 1st round of the NFL draft. No QB with an inadequate arm is being taken that high. He proved he could throw the ball down the field.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgman15
27% of Mac Jones's passes last year were behind the line of scrimmage or at the line of scrimmage. That led the country by over 5 percentage points. And would have led in 2019. That is a crazy stat.
Interestingly, you'd have to go back to 2018 to find a comparison in guess who, gardener minshew.
But yes, he is better than will Rogers.
Who is to say that Will Rogers can't progress into that. Mac Jones wasn't out their slinging it around as a true freshman, or true sophomore he didnt start until most of the way through his junior year. I swear I don't get how yall count players out at such a young age. I'm not saying Will is the best qb around but to say he doesn't have the tools to be a legit QB is dumb
It's like MSU fans don't believe a player will get better. Even though it happens the majority of the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgman15
So you predicting will is a 1st round qb?Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgman15
Alright, I'll chime in and give my 2 cents..
I think a little bit of everything y'all are saying is correct.
-Will has a below average to average arm
-His pocket awareness isn't great
-He limits this offense to what it can do, but he can still be functional in it with quick decisions and good football IQ
BUT
I don't think Leach is helping him out. As C34 pointed out, Will is having to squeeze passes by 8 defenders. While other QBs in the country are only having to beat around 6. We've got to be able to run the ball EFFECTIVELY to make this thing work. Not necessarily more (even though more would be better), but effectively. Our OL sucked in this area Saturday night because they didn't get any push whatsoever, but we literally only have 2 running plays. No creativity. We don't run many counters, we run zero sweeps, we practiced a read option in practice.. where the hell is that? I know I'm asking Leach to do something he's never had to do, which is to adapt. But until we take some of the pressure off Will, his weaknesses are just going to be magnified and we'll continue to dink, dunk, and pray we don't have a negative play that derails the drive. This air raid in its current form is not going to work in the SEC. You can write that down. But if we take the air raid and add modern concepts like many Leach disciples have done, then it'll have a chance to work.
I keep checking this thread to see if BuckyisaB*tch has responded yet, but nothing so far...
We'll smoke em out soon...Quote:
Originally Posted by RiverCityDawg
Haha
Ha, Ha, Ha..an internet football god with the all seeing eye...all Hail the Eye.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgman15
Come on ToddQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
He's right. By your standards, Trevor Lawrence is gonna suck in the pros.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
I have no idea what Mac Jones has to do with any of this. ..and I don't care to know.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
I used 2018 and Minshew because unlike Mac Jones, he played in Leachs offense. Which is what I thought was the subject of conversation. Also I use Minshew and 2018 because that was a damn good year for WSU. Also I think we can agree Minshew is a talented QB. Maybe..... maybe.
My whole point in chiming in on any of this, is to defend Rogers. Rogers is a good QB and will get better. Even if the offense calls for -5 to 5 yard passes.
It?s comical. I guess most of these posters forgot that arguably the best player to ever wear a State uniform wasn?t going to start at QB in his THIRD year on the team until Tyler Russell got hurt. But these same posters want to write off Will after a handful of starts in his 2nd year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
FIFYQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
"If only I was HC things would be perfect"
I agree with youQuote:
Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen
LolQuote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
Good one and so true! That is the opinion of many message board HC's!Quote:
Originally Posted by OLJWales
Skill set wise? No. But making the better decision, more accurate throw, better footwork, and making the right read with more experience? Yes. Which is improvement.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
I can think of at least three plays off the top of my head where if Will throws the ball just slightly more accurately we blow them out. And I do think Will is likely going to make that adjustment as he gets older. That touchdown pass he made to Heath was good enough for anything else in this offense. He needs to do that more often and consistently. Like that pass to Polk where it was slightly off- it had plenty on it distance wise- but he has to make that pass. It was a similar pass he made to Walley to get the go ahead TD the week before.
He can throw the ball downfield about 50 yards and that's good enough for the SEC for what we're doing to be good enough to succeed. Now it's more about consistency and reading defense better and mastering the system. Leach's Air Raid is a YAC system it's not a downfield passing system like what LSU did a couple of years ago with Brady. We just need someone to get the ball in space to guys like Walley accurately and then they use the space to make an explosive play.
Exactly. Where Will is right now is about where Dak was in 2013. It's just hard to play QB when you're an underclassman unless you are Peyton Manning- and even he would tell you it wasn't easy for him I'm sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrick Tibbons
All these MSU fans I see talking about how great Matt Corral is. Apparently they have forgotten that he was essentially benched his second year in college for John Rhys Plumlee. In fact he lost to Memphis- Will might too we'll see Saturday. Anyway Corral was like 9-19 and didn't even have 100 yards passing against them while they scored 10 points on them. Now I guarantee you if you had a time machine fourth year Matt Corral lights up that Memphis team. Why? Experience. He got better over time.
And you're right- Dak improved as a QB in 2014. And then he improved his passing even more in 2015 behind an OL that was pretty bad and with Holloway up the middle.
But Dak & Corral had athleticism & tools to build onQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Can't wait for the OK Corral. Maroon dressed Wyatt Earp and Doc gonna whip some ass. I'm fiddy 8 jammin to pearls betta man as I type. Peace Out and HailSTATE!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
And Tom Brady would be selling insurance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
Doesn't matter. Nick Fitzgerald had better raw tools than Dak too. That doesn't mean it will always translate.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
What does matter is if he can make the best decisions in this offense and execute slightly better when he has to. We're talking a second or two off. If he was a junior or senior and doing the same things I would agree more. But he's a sophomore who didn't redshirt. He just needs game reps. I think he learned a lot Saturday. I know Leach knows because I saw him taking to Will and he mentioned it in the postgame. Now it's up to Will to learn and apply it.
Nick never threw the ball close to Dak. What are you looking at Todd?Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Nick had an absolute canon of an arm, but couldn't harness it to make himself a better QB. He was also considerably faster and more athletic - he was an All-Region WR his JR. year in HS. Those are the raw tools that he had better than Dak.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
You are also correct that he never could throw as well as Dak. But those tools are why Mullen offered Nick as a QB before he'd ever thrown a pass in a football game.
I see all kinds of pro names popping up in comparisons. My absolute peak Will comparison would be Danny weurffel without a supporting cast in the same galaxy.
So you're saying he's Heisman worthy?Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Absolutely if you surround him with the best talent in the country, and he hits his absolute ceiling.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgman15
Well we know that one of those things will never happenQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Wuerffel would be an accurate comp.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Yeah nick had more raw arm talent than dakQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
He had more arm strength than Dak. Nick couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, but he could throw through the barnQuote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
Damn shame Nick didn't get his offseason leading up to senior season with mullen. I think nick woulda made a nice jump passing
Cristil said sumpthin like that eons ago about a strong armed QB we had way back when.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
No. Not close. Pure arm strength isn't the same arm talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
RAW ARM talent. Dak had to work for everything he has become. His raw arm talent is what kept him from getting recruited by other schools. Your QB assessment skills need some polishing. Pretty raw...Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Yes. And he didn't have near the receivers that dak had eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Don’t y’all remember the time Nick threw the game ending Hail Mary into the student section? That’s what you call raw ass talent.