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Are you Hevesy?????Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
He's my role model. Hev is the man I one day hope to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1bigdawg
I think Dan has done a solid job. It is obvious that Hev has been holding us back though. So I'm not gonna carry water for that. My opinion won't get anyone fired though so you and liver can relax.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Bout all you've done in your 30 something posts. Probably a 17'n bear...Quote:
Originally Posted by Human Meat
And mine won't get Hev retained so you can relax alsoQuote:
Originally Posted by BayouDawg
So is now the time we join hands around the fire and sing kumbaya?Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I could use a fire. I'm freezing at baseball gameQuote:
Originally Posted by BayouDawg
I guess if LSU wants to win the West they'll have to recruit OL better too...Quote:
Originally Posted by Random Poster
LSU vs AL
2015: 26 carries/54 yards
2016: 27 carries/33 yards
LSU is changing their offense- wanna bet they rush for more yards vs Bama this year?????Quote:
Originally Posted by Turfdawg67
That's a ridiculous take. And how shit like Ron Polk II actually happens at MSU. You tell Dan to re-assign Hevesy within the football program front office which is commonly done or no extension. 4.5 million or Hevesy? What's it going to be Dan?Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Yeah, he just signed an extension. Dan has done a good job here and I don't think he needs cohen telling him how to coach footballQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
He doesn't need Cohen to tell him how to coach football- he needs Cohen to tell him to get rid of his albatross of an o-line coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
LSU and Oregon can both pull that offer without any backlash... we better make dam sure when we offer that it is legit when it is in our backyard. I'm not a fan of the whole get them to camp before we offer on everybody but i'd wait a little before losing my brains... Also how do we know he hasn't double secret committed already?
Well Cohen would have to do it because Dan is not firing or "reassigning" his buddy. That is the whole issue in that Dan seems to hold coaches that are not is his buddy circle to a much different standard than he does the ones that are, especially Hevesy. We can certainly be a program that routinely wins 6-8 regular season games most years with Hevesy on staff but we certainly can't max out the potential of our program with Hevesy recruiting and running the OL. And you could also say that about some other assistants we've had during Mullen's tenure, the difference with those though is that Dan was more than happy to show them the door.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Best take yet from this thread (except maybe the double-secret committed part). This is essentially the reverse of the Keith Holcombe situation with Bama from a few years ago. The point about us not being able to pull the offer later is especially accurate. We can't **** up and piss off an MSU legacy and MS high school coaching staff by pulling an offer from a kid during or after his senior year if he turns out to not be SEC caliber. The fact that both State and OM appear to be keeping him warm tells me that is a possibility. I'm sure he will get an invite to Big Dawg Camp and if he impresses he will get an offer there. If he gets that offer but sticks with LSU all the way through the process, then we can definitely say it was a mistake and laziness from our staff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maroon Wizardry
I have no problem is Cohen does it.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
I saw in the Daily Journal this morning his offer list was Troy and Tulane prior to last week. If we had offered him with that list there would have been nearly as much bitching as there was as is. This one is a head scratcher.
I might agree with this except ... we take so many other OL projects who are busts. If he is a bust not sure that would make a huge difference. Hell, I believe he could at least be like Desper and go through his entire junior year never hitting a soul when run blocking.Quote:
Originally Posted by HSVDawg
Yes, but it's also fairly early in the process. When Oregon and LSU offer someone and Oregon's coach used to be at Alabama that says a lot. Even worse, Smith was at one of our practices like a week ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
If you look at our o-linemen numbers we aren't taking enough as it is if anything from a pure numbers standpoint- I would guess we're only averaging about three high school o-linemen a class. But those three are "projects" because the ones that we aren't getting are the ones that have offers from other schools much of the time, so that's literally all we're left with by default. Otherwise we would have no o-line recruits period. That's why we have to take so many JUCO's- and the bad thing there is often times again we're taking projects like Phillips so there's not really any relief. The highest rated o-linemen we actually have landed the past two cycles from a star standpoint was Martinas Rankin- and not coincidentally it looks like he is our best o-line prospect we've had in awhile.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
And when you take three projects a year at a position group that is already difficult to evaluate- you make your margin for error a lot less because the only way that is ever going to work is for us to find three projects and actually have them all pan out.
Rankin also took a year and a half to look like a SEC Olineman. Does the TEs work with the Oline in practice at all? If they do, hopefully Looney can help out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
This guy gets it.. Mic 🎤 dropQuote:
Originally Posted by I seen it dawg
I absolutely agree with this. The scenario that is playing out this spring plays out almost every spring. Every damn year. Our depth sucks cause we lose out on recruits and are usually scrambling at the end to get the 3 or sometimes 4 you're talking about. Usually 1 or 2 of those don't pan out at all, so we are left with about 8 or so somewhat ready to play at an average SEC level Olinemen. And in the spring 2 or 3 starters are out due to rehabilitation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Everything I've read about him this morning backs up what you just said. And in his picture he looks like he may have the body of a body builder, no big gut hanging over ... he's lean but it says he weighs 275 ... and I've read where he's only 16 too. I believe I also read where he's a power lifting champ I believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by I seen it dawg
If this is all true ... I can understand why we don't take him. Hev likes major projects to work with and this guy may not fit that mold *****
Yeah, I guess you could say Mullen has done a good job here by our standards, although we were 5-7 last year, barely beat Miami, Ohio in the bowl game, and have lost to Alabama every year Mullen has been here. Not sure that deserves another 4 year 4.5M per year contract, one of the highest in the country. I'm disappointed that our new AD apparently wasn't aware of our inferior OL recruiting and performance and demand that Mullen rectify that situation before awarding him with the new contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
There was also a CB with a 40+" vertical who blew up last year that was interested in State. Scheduled an unofficial but had to cancel because he had a basketball game. Staff hasn't reached out since. Since that times he's gotten over 10 offers including 4 ACC offers. He'll be a 4 star after summer camps and we had a chance to be his 1st P5 offer.
I think this can probably be chalked up to the timing of the new defensive staff, but it's still an example of how we're always late to the party. Bama throws out 100 offers with only 10 being committable this early. I'm not sure why we can't do the same.
I agree we need to take more OL. No doubt about that. And I also agree that the ones we do take need to be more talented than they have been. But, for a kid to even qualify as a "project", he has to have the measurables to work with. Right now, there is some doubt about those measurables being there with Smith amongst the in-state staffs. Shit, OM's campus is 20 minutes away, so Luke has probably seen him in person a double-digit number of times (plus, he attended their Jr. day). And we all know how much they'd love to stick a thumb in our eye and pull in an MSU legacy that may end up being a really good player. And they haven't even offered yet either. It cannot be emphasized enough that we just cannot offer an in-state legacy in March or a recruiting cycle if there is even a hint that he might not be a bona fide SEC player. If the situation were reversed and he was a Louisiana kid, we absolutely could do it. But not for a MS kid and especially not for a legacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I get the point, but over the last couple of years we have increased our offers by 100. We were in the 250's in 2014, but last year's class had 360 offers. We already have 230 out right now for 2018, but I understand why Cole is special in this instance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
I'd guess you would know the answer to this...do we recruit by region or by position group?
We do send out out blanket offers just like Bama and everyone else. But the purpose of blanket offers is to get your foot in the door with out of state kids who may not currently have your school on their radar. You don't send them to in state kids who are very aware of your program unless they are committable offers. And as you said, only 10% are actually committable. LSU also does this same thing and it is very debateable as to how long Smith's offer is commitable if they add more guys. At a minimum, he may have a grayshirt offer coming his way next February.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
I still do not believe that Rankin was worse than Rufus Warren. I think if we had allowed him to play in 2015 he probably would have progressed like he did this past year when he was actually given an opportunity to play. I think a lot of the adjustment is actually being out there on the field and playing and experiencing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
If he is a good enough prospect for LSU and Oregon, he is a good enough prospect for us to offer right now regardless of whether he is a legacy or not. Slow playing a kid "just because he's a legacy" is equally as bad if not worse than just taking a legacy because he's a legacy and can't play. And even though he is a legacy we still have to recruit them and let them know that we want them. If you think a kid can play- don't *****foot around because you think he will be easy to pick up. Offer him. If Hevesy doesn't think he can play- he better hope he doesn't pan out for LSU is all I have to say about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by HSVDawg
As far as Ole Miss not offering him- they ARE about to be on probation and I would imagine that their numbers are going to be very tight. I think they also would fear us flipping him and basically doing the same thing that happened when they flipped Sean Rawlings from us. If he was an Ole Miss legacy I'm 100% sure they would have offered him right now- and he would probably be in their class.
And I'll say this about Mississippi State and legacies in general in all sports....
It seems like if you are a MSU legacy you almost have to be twice as good as a typical prospect to even get an offer from MSU, and that's not right. We have burned so many bridges over the years it's not even funny- John Grisham comes to mind. What does it really hurt if a guy is on our practice squad for five years? I just don't understand it. If there is one thing I am envious of Ole Miss of it's the fact that they treat their legacies well. And while most of those guys end up being Ryan Buchanan's- they also end up being the guys that donate a lot of time and money and have a huge impact on the program in other ways a lot of the time.
And it's even worse if it's a guy that is a legacy that can actually help us out on the field.
Just watched the film of Cole. Don't know if his true measureables are 6-4 275, but he moves lot better than any HS OL prospect I believe I've watched other than Lashley. He certainly moves much, much (significantly) better than Eiland did his senior year, and Eiland is playing LT for us right now during spring camp. And Cole looks sculpted like a body builder.
I dunno ... maybe the Dan & Hev know something the rest of us don't. Maybe the drawback is they project him as only being able to play center ... and Hev likes guys that can play anywhere on the line (like Dillon Day ***).
I know we only have about 20 schollys or so to give next year ... so we may not want to waste too many of those on Olinemen *****
Agreed, but the question is if he is actually good enough for either of them. Him getting a blanket offer that might not still be on the table on signing day does not equate to "good enough for Oregon or LSU". And that is exactly what both of those offers are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Agreed again, but it is 11 months until signing day. Way too early to say we are "slow playing". We hold just about all of our committable in-state offers until Big Dawg (not just for OL but for everyone) unless the player is 100% elite. This is nothing new. If he shows up at Big Dawg and leaves without an offer and we change our minds and give him one in September or October, then we can say we slow played him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
So what if you think the kid can't play, or don't know if he can play? That is obviously where we are with Cole Smith right now. If we haven't seen him in person yet and that is why we haven't offered yet, that is a problem. But if we have seen him and are in process of gathering more data to make sure he's not a tweener, that is another story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Fair point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Yep, been saying it for years. Go ahead and get it done.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
wtf? You don't fire the most successful coach by far in our history because he won't fire a guy you think he should fire. You guys don't get to dictate everything Mullen does. Get over it or become our AD and guess what you still don't get to dictate everything Mullen does. He's not firing Hevesy so stop acting like a bunch of shitty diaper toddlers about it. Posting 7 billion melt posts about it isn't going to change Mullen's mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by TimberBeast
We've been first to the party on plenty of kids like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
100% agreed. Good post, 61.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
No, I'm sure most fans don't want Mullen fired. But it is a shame that he's making this personal, not business, as they say in The Godfather. Guess we'll never know how good we could be if we had a good, solid, offensive line.Quote:
Originally Posted by TimberBeast
Can you give us a list on OL targets? On D side of ball and at QB or RB I would probably agree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness